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<!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--> I have a 2000 E39 M5 with many Dinan parts that drives great but I am stuck with the SAIS/Carbon Build Up Issue. I have searched the forum and found many threads going way back on this. However they all seem to lead to the same conclusion; you are stuck unless you want to pay $8,000+ to get it cleaned.

I love this car and would like to keep driving it but with the other cars I also love (1997 993 and a 2009 Maserati QP) I can’t justify putting that much money into a 14 year old car. (Although the lack of credible executive sedans with manual transmissions is giving me second thoughts).

So now I am thinking I need to sell it as-is and hope that someone wants to invest in fixing it and/or harvest pats. Has anyone had experience buying or selling a car under these conditions? Not sure how to price it as well. Car is solid overall and has Dinan wheels, air system, exhaust, chip, F &R tower braces Dinan suspension, and under 60K miles. IS Ba T an option? Where might I post it on this Board, others?

This is depressing because if it was running I think I could get my wife to let me keep it but she would flip if she saw that kind of repair bill. Thanks for any thoughts.
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Carbon build up issues can be "ignored" with some simple coding available through Evolve, Jailbreak, or any other reputable company/tuner. It can even be deleted on your own with a little bit of software.
 

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Wow

Who knew it might be that easy. Sorry if I missed this in searching. Will this typ of S/W provide the error free, "not ready free" state that I will need for California emissions testing?

Thanks.
 

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Evolve and JB will make the readiness monitors set to ready.

With a MY 2000 car, you can have 2 monitors set to 'not ready' and still pass, as long as your SES isn't on. That's a Federal standard.
 

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Definitely ways around it. Have to love CA regulations! If those solutions above do not work out feel free to PM me for info.
 

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$200?!?! 2 years ago when I got my M5 it was $1000 for their performance software with the option to add the Secondary Air System code-out. If you can buy just that feature, that would be awesome!

Looking at the threads on the M3forum about ECU coding, it's really not rocket science, but you do have to have the equipment to do it.
 

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$200?!?! 2 years ago when I got my M5 it was $1000 for their performance software with the option to add the Secondary Air System code-out. If you can buy just that feature, that would be awesome!

Looking at the threads on the M3forum about ECU coding, it's really not rocket science, but you do have to have the equipment to do it.

The times, they are a changin'

True story though.
 

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Related article from Turnermotorsport website:

Carbon Build-Up In The E39 M5 Secondary Air Pump System (SAI)

Like any modern car, the E39 M5 utilizes an air pump as part of the emissions system. The air pump, and related air passages and tubing, is designed to pump fresh air into the exhaust system ahead of the catalytic converter. As the air is heated it helps to combust the un-burned fuel coming from the engine as well as bring the catalytic converters up to operating temperature sooner. The system only runs for 1-2 minutes on start-up, when the car is cold (temperature based on coolant temp).

The problem is that carbon builds up in the passageways for the air pump system. Carbon is a by-product of the engine's combustion. But this issue is different than the normal carbon build-up from inside the combustion chamber. Normally, the carbon exits the engine with the other exhaust gases through the manifolds, cats, and out the tailpipe. However, normal backpressure in the exhaust forces some carbon back into the cylinder head and into the air pump system where it settles and hardens. There is a shut-off valve that is designed to prevent exhaust from re-entering the system but this valve can become faulty over time and with no warning. Eventually each passageway and air port becomes clogged and blocked, as much as 100%. The layout and design of the system, which includes several 90-degree turns, inadvertantly encourages the carbon to build-up. The carbon is especially heavy during the engine's warm-up period when the mixture is fuel-rich.

With the system blocked, air ceases to flow or is dramatically reduced. The M5's emissions system monitors the air flow and it will not like to see it reduced or stopped completely. It will interpret that as a failure of the air pump, tripping a fault code, and illuminating the SES/MIL light on the dash. Since the fault is emissions-related, it will likely prevent the car from passing a state emissions inspection test (either for the presence of the SES light or from the fault code itself). So even though the air pump may be functioning normally, it is being blamed for the reduced air flow when it's really due to the blocked air passages.

Even if the system did not monitor the air pump flow, there would still be the problem of excessive carbon build-up in the cylinder head. Removing the carbon is a tricky process and involves disassembling the top end of the engine, pulling the cylinder heads, drilling or breaking up the carbon in multiple places, cleaning (decking) the head, replacing all of the valves and the valvetrain, along with any other customary head machining. Repair bills can run into the thousands of dollars and weeks of down-time. Cleaning the carbon out will make the engine 'carbon free' but the problem is likely to re-occur. It may take several years, and many tens of thousands of miles, but the design flaw of the system guarantees that it will happen again.

As of now (September, 2011) there is no viable alternative or permanent fix for this issue. There is special software on the market that will tell the car's computers to ignore the flow of the air pump. Some of our Shark Injector files have this feature. This will keep the fault code and related SES light from appearing. These software tricks are not approved by BMW or the EPA and are not a guarantee that you will pass an emissions inspection test - but it will keep the code and the light away. Any modification to the emissions system is against federal and state laws, which is probably preventing any hardware solutions to be implemented as well since any change would likely have to have BMW's approval, as well as be thoroughly tested by the federal EPA, CARB, and any other regulatory agency.

While carbon deposits are inevitable, there are several things you can do to delay the problem from becoming severe -
+ Use premium fuels (the best you can find) that will burn better and not create as much carbon
+ Regular oil changes
+ Monitoring the efficiency of your cooling system (including regular replacement of your coolant temp sensor, located in the lower radiator hose) (part number 13 62 1 433 077)
+ Cleaning or regular replacement of the HFMs (mass air meters) (part number 13 62 1 433 566) (CRC HFM Cleaner)
+ Regular replacement of the SAI Shut-Off Valve (supposed to prevent blowback of the exhaust) (part number 11 72 1 433 713)
+ Regular replacement of the front (pre-cat) oxygen sensors (part number 11 78 1 742 050)
+ Non-sluggish driving (regular WOT runs up to red line)
+ Removal and cleaning of the front aluminum secondary air pipe (major job but you might be able to clean out the carbon before it accumulates)
 

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Is Evolve Still Around?

I am very interested in the Evlove solution for my E39 and had some questions for them. However I don't get any answer on their number listed on their web site, not even vocie mail. Are they still around or just out testing?
 

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If you're in/around LA, I can code it out for you. I've already deleted it for my car and threw that secondary $hit pump in the trash. Gave me a SES for like 2 years -____-
 

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My car had the SES code pop up every once in a while, so I just cleared the codes and drove it just enough to get all but two emissions monitors ready (mine is a 2000 so it gets away with two monitors not ready). I then passed emissions and registered the car. The code came back literally the next day, so I know I timed it perfectly. Though oddly enough the code hasn't shown up in a pretty long while now. I've been driving the car pretty hard, with a redline at least once per drive, maybe that's cleared it somehow?
 
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