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How bad is it to rev the beast up to 7500 rpm?

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It definitely does and on a sharply rising exponential scale. Once you get above the design limit and its factor of safety, you're on your own hoping that thin oil film can withstand the loads you are imposing on it.
True, but I take some comfort in Dinan's 7300 redline on S2 and S3 cars. I think there is some margin of safety in this motor. However, I don't think it is anywhere near 8000:eek:
Regards,
Jerry
 
Rick
You should be able to mercilessly flog any modern car like you stole it for 200K+ mi without the engine recip assy failing. I do not believe in babying performance cars. Redline and rev limiters are there to be tested.
I tend to agree, but I thought you said a while back that on the S62, revving past 6500 puts undue stress on the motor, specifically the rod bearings. So, can I feel comfortable going to redline on a more regular basis or try to stay at or below 6500 (which is below the 6600 power peak?)


Maximum performance is generally extracted from any given engine setup by upshifting at an RPM that's ABOVE peak horsepower. This is because peak performance is extracted when the area under the RPM-HP curve is the greatest. The peak horsepower RPM is generally sitting 2/3 of the way through the operating curve. If peak horsepower exists at 6K RPM, then an upshift around 6500 RPM may be optimal when the RPM's drop to 5K in the next higher gear. This way the power peak stays in the middle of the operating graph and produces maximum area under the curve.
Great explanation. But given the S62 power peak of 6600 rpm, it almost requires a run to redline (7000) or beyond, at least up to (a Dinan warrantied for S2 and S3 ) 7300 to extract maximum speed, since the "headroom" from power peak to stock redline is a measly 400 rpm?

Thanks for your insights.
Regards,
Jerry
 
Jerry,

Your logic leads to the same concerns that I have. In order to extract maximum potential from the racey S62 engine, you must flog it and run very close to redline and occasionally bump into the limiter.

This engine simply will NOT provide that level of performance over a normal street engine lifecycle which is now approaching 300K mi for most marques. IMO, the bearings are not up to the task at hand.

Your choice is to drive the car like a 540i after 100K mi (limit rev's to 6K) or get this racey motor rebuilt to maintain OEM capability into it's senior years. The cheap man's rebuild (in the case of S62 street car) appears to be...focus $ on weak points, namely, replace the rod bearings.

I will also say this....most cars with big V8's do not have racey 7K+ redline with such aggressive cams and tuning, so they do not see premature wearout or stress issues. Most mfrs put more cushion/buffer in their designs, so normal lifecycle is achieved under hard flogging. My Ford 5L had 300K mi with 40K+ merciless track miles and the motor was solid as a rock. It saw 1k+ RPM OVER redline on a regular basis without protest. It's power peak was 1000 RPM under OEM redline which made shifting optional in many cases. My Vette was on the rev limiter almost every lap and it did not care at all. They run forever in that mode, but that was the 90's. Mfrs are pushing the envelope now and BMW might have gone a little too far with E39, imo. I would not chip my E39 M5. When Z06 Vettes wit h7K RPM limit begin exceeding 100K mi in numbers, they may exhibit the same premature bearing wearout and engine failure issues. I don't know. The GM and Ford V8's that were limited by the factory to under 6700RPM are holding up for full lifecycle.

Thanks. I think that as long as it is a street car, I am not going to worry too much, as it is not often this car has to be flogged near redline to catch 98% of other cars. I have 68k now.

But if I decide to spend some time on the track, then a $1200-$2000 preventive rod bearing replacement would seem in order, and sooner rather than later.

Do I assume that once you examine the rod bearings, the job is not much bigger to have them replaced?
Regards,
Jerry
 
Just to double check - dinan has 7300 rpm redline? (i sure hope so snce i got it then)
Yes, and any of the tuners can duplicate that if you like. Power falls off after 7300, so I suspect that is one reason Dinan limits it there, as well as keeping speed in gears similar to stock for its 3.45 diff.
Regards,
Jerry