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Hello everyone. My name is Toma and I'm 20. I'm currently driving Alfa Romeo 166 2.4jTD which I'll pass to my sister because she got her license. I finished all grades with straight A's and worked during year (part-time job) and finally got a financial ability to buy my dream car, M5. Ofcourse, parents will help with money when I decide to buy it, but I still have a decent amount by myself. Anyway, that's not the point. My dream car is a E60 M5. I found one which has 10,000 miles, 05' production year, one owner and apparently everything is okay. Car is located in France, so that's not a problem. 05 is the first year of E60 m5 and I heard it can be unreliable. Especiall Vanos and SMG. Can you guys tell me should I buy that M5 or should I look at 535d? Car will be my daily driver ( I don't do high mileage. Commuting to college and riding for my needs) so MPG is not that of a issue. However, in my country a lot of guys have LPG in their high-powered cars such as 65AMG's... Would it be OK (not morally OK, because I know that you don't buy a M5 and worry about mileage.) to install LPG. So let's say it goes on LPG from 0-3500 RPMs (which is what a stop-n-go traffic in reality is) and after 3500 RPMs it goes on petrol. My dad had ML63AMG with LPG and car had no problems and he saved a really big amount of money on gas. Price in my country is 7$ a gallon.

So is E60 M5 05 unreliable as people say?

Thank you all in advance for help and I hope I'll have long answers to read.
 

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I didn't say I would install LPG... I just said that it's not uncommon to see LPG on high performance cars in my country. I am more concerned about reliability. Especially 05 M5 reliability
 

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i got late 2005 / 2006 M5 its cool, too many people here got 2005-2006 e60 m5's and nothing is unreliable all what u hear about is bullshit my friend.

SMG issues pump / flywheel clutch / vanos and these ****s happens to all model years M5s from 2005 to 2010 depends on the driver and how hard he drives the car.

my car is VERY GOOD PRETTY ******* GOOD even that it have a high high mileage and still i FEEL THE AGGRESSIVENESS!


do not believe all the rubbish some stupids say my friend, the only thing that has changed is the LCI headlights and tail lights only. nothing special, some few interior modifications..

concerning the mechanical issues, all the models i repeat face same problems, ITS SMG!! so u will expect with SMG the unexpected my friend even it its 2016 production!
 

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10.000 miles on a 2005 car?

I don't buy it, unless you post pics of an unused M5. Ever heard of odometer adjustment?

Just my 2c, if you worry about fuel consumption costs, don't buy an M5. Simple as that. Have a 10K or more spare fund for problems.
 

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If you can afford the maintenance and have $$$ squared away for when things break, buy it. Just be aware that when things do break, they cost thousands to fix not hundreds.
 

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This ^^


If you have money or at least are capable of diagnosing and working on a vehicle like this, you'll probably be ok. If not, I wouldn't buy one. You will spend THOUSANDS on fixing this car if you have to take it to a shop to have the work done. If you can work on it yourself, you will just spend thousands (lowercase :) ). They're expensive to maintain. They are a lot of fun, though.
 

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When things are working well the car is a dream to drive but things will break and when they do then have a few thousand for repairs. It is always best to be prepared than go in blind.
 

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Looks fantastic... If the price is right buy it.... Worry about lpg later..... But it seems a bit mad to buy M5 and then fit lpg!


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Thanks for replies guys. I'm not worried about mpg as I stated... I'm worried if 05 production year is unreliable by its nature.
 

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Just stumbled across this thread from a few years back don’t know how I missed it...

to all the haters, the curious and genuinely intrigued (or anyone)

I may be wrong but I think I’m the only or one of a small few people to run an e63 on lpg.

when I first had it done it had some teething issues with the electrics (nothing mechanical weirdly!) but randomly nothing to do with this I did an lcm2 retrofit and all the problems went away with it!

that was 9 years ago and a good few miles ago too.

I would highly recommend the conversion IF you are in Europe where lpg is available and petrol is expensive.

having had the car 9 years I’ve still had the bills but that 50% fuel saving has gone a long way to paying them in that time.

the kit itself runs full lpg to 5k then petrol and lpg blend above.

also those who don’t know lpg and say it’s bad for the engine usually don’t realise it’s around 105ron so it’s perfect for this engine...
There’s a reason ac schnitzel ran their s85 on lpg...
Anyway insight over :)
 

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Saying its unreliable is a bit of a misnomer. Anything can break in a car, and for this kind of car, its very high maintenance. If alternator breaks, its a 1 hr job in typical car. In M5, you have to spend lot of time trying to get to the alternator.
either you should have tons of money for labor or do it yourself. Parts aren't that crazy expensive, you can always get some gently used parts from ebay and work on it yourself. Labor is lot on the M5.
 

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I have had my car for almost a year. My only comment would be that short drives in traffic with the SMG will suck. The only time I really enjoy driving my M5 is with open road and shifts above 6k. Lots of warm up time and lots of oil changes. Have fun that is what the car was built for.
 

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Hi Alan, Totally agree with you and I would add that full consumption becomes unjustifiable. Not a car for an inexperienced driver on a provisional licence having to prove their skill. Anyway, thought I'd mention that 13 year old electronics on mine are starting to be unreliable. The SAT Nav was never happy even 4 years ago. ££££ to replace DVD drive, but I use a TomTom that I swap from car to car. Recently SoS warning light came on and South London Indy by name of iAuto want £250 to reprogram and said if that didn't work another £1,500 to replace and reprogram. Riiiight.
At 100,000 miles I replaced both rear calipers due to not fully releasing.
Now the diff input seal started weeping but I'm not getting under it in this weather so they can do that for £385 (a bit pricey I thought)
Droplink boots cracked and they wanted £300 to do them. I'll wait for some sunshine and do them myself.
I wouldn't say it was unreliable. Always get me where I'm going, but wants/needs/deserves love and attention.

Has everyone had the battery positive trunk to underbody recall done?
 

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Just stumbled across this thread from a few years back don’t know how I missed it...

to all the haters, the curious and genuinely intrigued (or anyone)

I may be wrong but I think I’m the only or one of a small few people to run an e63 on lpg.

when I first had it done it had some teething issues with the electrics (nothing mechanical weirdly!) but randomly nothing to do with this I did an lcm2 retrofit and all the problems went away with it!

that was 9 years ago and a good few miles ago too.

I would highly recommend the conversion IF you are in Europe where lpg is available and petrol is expensive.

having had the car 9 years I’ve still had the bills but that 50% fuel saving has gone a long way to paying them in that time.

the kit itself runs full lpg to 5k then petrol and lpg blend above.

also those who don’t know lpg and say it’s bad for the engine usually don’t realise it’s around 105ron so it’s perfect for this engine...
There’s a reason ac schnitzel ran their s85 on lpg...
Anyway insight over :)
I ran my 7 of 11 e39 540i M Sport Touring on LPG by getting a Specialist to fit a BRC Sequent system with a toroidal tank in the boot.
The car was featured in Straight Six Magazine - "Cooking on Gas"
But i didn't really do the miles to make it really beneficial and Gov removed many of the alternative fuel fringe benefits.
That BRC set up was sweet only dropping off gas under full throttle really suited the M62B TU engine that also went in FFRRs
Stock hoses no good though and I had to replace hoses and fittings with pukka items.
Also had to replace seals on the evaporator after 40,000 miles IIRC
One thing I thought I should have done was to find a lower thermostat and or run waterless coolant but I sold it to a fella whose priority was to make into more of an M5 with diff and other parts...

LPG suits some engines and the more cylinder the more injectors and drilling all best left to the pros.
 
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