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I bought a set of H&R Front Springs. Just called a local indy shop and got a quote of $298. Also said I'd need an alignment for an additonal $100. Is that in the ballpark or should I look elsewhere? Thanks!!!!
 

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You will not need an alignment. Toe does not change much when the suspension compresses because the geometry is good.

If it was my car, I would not just change springs. That's something that a kid with a $2K Camaro and no money would do. Used stock struts are not up to controlling the higher rate and lower H&R springs and all spring cushions and bearing turntable should be replaced.

The job takes about 3 hours if they're being careful.
 

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2-3 hours of labor should be pretty average. You could also DIY :)
 

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2-3 hours of labor should be pretty average. You could also DIY
Okay... so that quote is probably fair. Yeah..I wanted to tackle it by myself. Just not sure if I was going to have the time to do it. I may just wait and do it on my own. No real rush right now. Thanks!
 

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a shop should easily be able to do the front in less than 2 hours. The front is very very easy. I did my front springs in less than an hour with a lift and spring compressor.
 

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Cool... I think I'll tackle this one versus dropping it off at the shop. $250-$300 is better spent elsewhere. Thanks!
 

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2 hrs max. As stated throw some Konis or Bilsteins in..

Very Easy DIY... Just remember to tape up the fender wall....
 

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a shop should easily be able to do the front in less than 2 hours. The front is very very easy. I did my front springs in less than an hour with a lift and spring compressor.

I agree that the front is much easier than the rears.
Once you unbolt the strut assembly is very straight forward to take it out (unlike the rears where there are stuff in the way after you unbolt the shock-spring assembly).

Just make sure you have spring compressor handy before unbolting anything :).


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J Irwan
 

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It appears my comments fell on deaf ears. Worn bearing turntables, used rubber cushion parts and trying to use higher rate aftermarket springs with worn OEM dampers is a classic recipe for subpar results (squeaks, stiff or notchy steering, pogo underdampened ride etc).

The bearing turntable is made of PLASTIC. Any time they are disturbed (moved/repositioned) they immediately begin to produce bad symptoms. The rubber spring isolators are cheap and they become twisted and flattened so they only fit tthe OEM spring. This leads to noise when reused on a different spring.

Folks don't just change the springs, if they are wise & experienced. You're not patching together a $900 Ford Taurus with a busted spring to sell in the Sunday paper.
 

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I heard you loud and clear here..

That's something that a kid with a $2K Camaro and no money would do.
..and then again here..

Folks don't just change the springs, if they are wise & experienced. You're not patching together a $900 Ford Taurus with a busted spring to sell in the Sunday paper.
I took your post into consideration, but chose not to respond. The problem with your post is you educated me on the cons of installing springs but then you followed them with unecessary comments. It's like a teacher telling a student "No! No! No! This is the way you do it, stupid!" I appreciate your advice and info in the beginning of your post, but it needed to end right there. Thanks.
 

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.........I took your post into consideration, but chose not to respond. The problem with your post is you educated me on the cons of installing springs but then you followed them with unecessary comments. It's like a teacher telling a student "No! No! No! This is the way you do it, stupid!" I appreciate your advice and info in the beginning of your post, but it needed to end right there. Thanks.
You were obsessed with the cost of a pair of springs & the labor charge to install them, down to the dollar. This immediately set off an alarm in my head because I've seen it 100 times before and it's a strategy for failure that's many folks follow.

I decided to institute some shock treatment by providing strong reasoning, example and embarrassing analogy to help you put things into perspective.

Docile, passive recommmendations to spend 2x for parts generally do not get much consideration.

My posts are hardly similar to school teacher red pen "I'm right, you're wrong" feedback. I provide technical detail, example and insight about WHY dampers, bearing turntables and spring cushions/insulators need to be changed. The camaro and taurus comments serve to put these expenditures into perspective. You should not be using similar pennypinch service and upgrade strategies on an M5 that's worth 50x...but you are.

Honestly, I would much rather you be offended by my post than watch you take a glidepath that leads to bad results or redoing the job, spending double labor and double hassle.

If you now fully appreciate the need to inspect and carefully consider changing ancillary hardware, I've met my objective. If this has not sunken in or you are now totally ignoring me, well, I tried.

For used M5 cars with over 50K miles, a proper spring upgrade will cost over $1K because the weak dampers and spring/turntable hardware all needs replaced. As you can see, it is difficult to get this point across lol.
 

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I bought a set of H&R Front Springs. Just called a local indy shop and got a quote of $298. Also said I'd need an alignment for an additonal $100. Is that in the ballpark or should I look elsewhere? Thanks!!!!
For some reason..this doesn't scream obsessed to me. I simply wanted to know if it was in the ballpark because I wasn't sure how long the job actually takes. I've read a few other spring install threads and the service prices were varying. That's it. Unfortunately, I didn't see any posts from you on those. You made your point. H&R Front Springs only...bad. CHECK!

Again, I appreciate your "shock treatment style" advice, but I think you have me confused with other forum members you may have had to set straight. I didn't pennypinch to buy my car nor do I pennypinch on service or mods. This front springs mod? Okay... needed a little education on consequences of doing such. I'll look into other suspension upgrades.

For what it's worth...your technical details, examples and insight sunk in after your first post.
Thanks.
 
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