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This video has been out for a while from the M Closed Room. The test drivers used launch control and show the F10 M5 launch from 0-100kph (or) 0-60mph.

Video Title: New BMW M5 At The Test Track. 2011.
Video Link: YouTube - ‪New BMW M5 at the test track. 2011.‬‏
M5 LC Time Frame: @1:25 - @1:29


I used my iPhone's stop watch to try and estimate the F10 M5's 0-60 time as accurate as possible. I must have clocked it about 20 times.. and I kept on getting two numbers 99% of the time.

00:03.7 and 00:03.8

03.8 is a promising number.. it's not 100% accurate, but I think it's a pretty close number. The F10 M5 will absolutely be a sub-four second car.. and 3.7-3.8 I think is defiantly close to accurate.. enough to seriously consider.

From following this car (and all of it's press) very closely I have thought the F10 M5 would be at least 580HP - minimum. Then not too long ago, engine photos came out showing the F10 M5's engine up close. After comparing the F10 engine (unknown hp) to the X5M/X6M engine (555hp), the F10 M5 engine makes the X5M engine look small. The intakes and turbos under the hood of the F10 M5 look almost double the size of the X5M's. Now I strongly believe that the F10 M5 will be producing a minimum of 600HP. The 0-60mph / 0-100kph time of 3.8 makes sense as well.. also makes this estimate even more credible.

BMW stated that the F10 M5 WILL be an industry leader. This is basically saying that the next generation M5 will beat all the competition. This is the reason why BMW is so hesistant to release ANY performance figures. BMW M is waiting until the very last minute.. at which time they will consult with the marketing team or whomever to gather the competitors performance figures and optional packages (such as when AMG offers a power upgrade to their cars by offering an AMG "030" Package after the car is produced). BMW M will then do some fine tuning (on a very tune friendly V8 TT platform) to squeeze out any additional power.. if it's necessary. This is a necessary approach to take if you want to be an industry leader. BMW M defiantly wants the "M5 Title" back, and I know they will get it back. So far everything is pointing to this car being a monster.. just a shame it is so far out (+1 year out for US delivery).
 

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Nice INFO, I hope the price is "Sensible" and not "Silly" as Mercedes have set the bench mark with the CLS V8 5.5 engine @ around £80K UK.
I hope BMW undercut this basic price but at least £10K . ;)
 

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I think you make a number of very good points. I have to agree that BMW isn't releasing the final HP figures yet, because of competitive considerations. With a turbo engine, you have incredible flexibility to 'adjust' the hp just by turning up the boost, and I'm sure the good engineers at BMW have constructed a 'reliability vs boost' graph that includes an 'acceptable window' of reliability. There is also probably a 'HP vs cost' curve for a set reliability. If they issue a press release of a 600 HP engine today, that just gives Audi and Mercedes that much more time develop an engine to beat it.

I also think that given European launch control, the car will definitely hit 60 in under 4 seconds. I just don't know if we'll get it here in the US.:crying2:
 

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The F10 M5 is set to weigh roughly 800 lbs less than the X5M (4.4 sec), and will no doubt match the Audi RS6 V10 (580HP). With that Power/Weight ratio, it has a good chance of hitting the 4.0 sec mark. The real test is 0-100-0, do that in 13 seconds and we have a supercar!
 

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90 kph = 55.9 mph. I dont think you will see a sub 4 second quoted by BMW. 600bhp, I dont think that is in the cards as well. Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it
 

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90 kph = 55.9 mph. I dont think you will see a sub 4 second quoted by BMW. 600bhp, I dont think that is in the cards as well. Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it
Simple typo.. I meant to type 0-100kph at the top of the post. At the bottom of the post I wrote it correctly (100kph). I hope your wrong about that too. Have you seen the photos of the F10 M5 engine? It looks double the size of the X5M's 555HP motor.
If it's not 600hp minimum then they better make the engine & components smaller, because it's a waste of metal/weight!

Updated the post, thanks for catching it.

The F10 M5 is set to weigh roughly 800 lbs less than the X5M (4.4 sec), and will no doubt match the Audi RS6 V10 (580HP). With that Power/Weight ratio, it has a good chance of hitting the 4.0 sec mark. The real test is 0-100-0, do that in 13 seconds and we have a supercar!
I think that it will defiantly be a sub four second car, and that is being conservative. By clocking the 0-100kph/0-60mph time from the video of the German test driver using L/C, I easily clocked sub-four second times. This almost guarantees the F10 M5 will be a sub-four second car.

I think you make a number of very good points. I have to agree that BMW isn't releasing the final HP figures yet, because of competitive considerations. With a turbo engine, you have incredible flexibility to 'adjust' the hp just by turning up the boost, and I'm sure the good engineers at BMW have constructed a 'reliability vs boost' graph that includes an 'acceptable window' of reliability. There is also probably a 'HP vs cost' curve for a set reliability. If they issue a press release of a 600 HP engine today, that just gives Audi and Mercedes that much more time develop an engine to beat it.

I also think that given European launch control, the car will definitely hit 60 in under 4 seconds. I just don't know if we'll get it here in the US.:crying2:
Exactly.. BMW loves to be ahead of the competition, and that is why the E60 was such a success. It's great for marketing, and exactly what the enthusiasts want. It is official (from the mouth of M) that the F10 will be at the top of the competition. It explains M's silent treatment, and while many are upset over the lack of performance details/information made available, I think M is doing this right.

Now with changing their power-plant from N/A to T/T, the rules of the game have changed... BMW's "Performance Parts" line might even introduce an ECU upgrade some time after production. Maybe say, 2 years later so the F10 M5 can better compete against newer competition (2014MY/2015MY). Also, since a performance exhaust was made available for the M3, I think that the BMW Performance Parts line will also carry an exhaust upgrade for the F10 M5 at some point in time after production.

I think we will be seeing more things that are out of character for M. First was the transition from N/A to T/T. Second might be AWD. Probably more to come, we will find out a lot more on the F10 M5 in two weeks time.

Regardless of these changes and the new direction M is going.. it's not that bad. The F10 M5 will probably reclaim "The Beast" title and be better in every way (performance, handling, luxury, convenience) than the E60 M5.

Nice INFO, I hope the price is "Sensible" and not "Silly" as Mercedes have set the bench mark with the CLS V8 5.5 engine @ around £80K UK.
I hope BMW undercut this basic price but at least £10K . ;)
The F10 M5 will defiantly be more expensive.. it will also have a lot more technology which brings the price up - but technology is usually always options, meaning you can choose to purchase them. It will also have the option of carbon-ceramic brakes ($10k+ option). If the E60 M5 MSRP was $85k and options out to $100k, then it might be a decent guess to say $95k and optioned out at maximum of $120? Just a guess.
 

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OP, I too share the same enthusiasm in seeing a sub 4 sec M5, but your methodology in post #1 is hardly scientific. BMW's official numbers always tend to be on the conservative side, plus the RWD disadvantage in launching from a stand still, a solid 4.0 sec car is still an accomplishment.
 

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Sub 4 seconds in a 5 series with a factory warranty? How sick is that! It'd suck to have a 2 year old Ferrari (or a brand new 612 Scaglietti or California) and get worked by a sedan with a car seat in the back.
 

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OP, I too share the same enthusiasm in seeing a sub 4 sec M5, but your methodology in post #1 is hardly scientific. BMW's official numbers always tend to be on the conservative side, plus the RWD disadvantage in launching from a stand still, a solid 4.0 sec car is still an accomplishment.
If you read my post, I explain that the times are not, in any way, scientific or exact. I agree, BMW does give conservative numbers, as they did with the E60 M5.
 

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Sub 4 seconds in a 5 series with a factory warranty? How sick is that! It'd suck to have a 2 year old Ferrari (or a brand new 612 Scaglietti or California) and get worked by a sedan with a car seat in the back.
If the e60 (in real performance) is roughly 4.2-4.3 seconds, then there is no reason to think that the F10 won't do sub 4sec. 0-60 times. Also, if you clocked 3.8, 0-100kph, then the 0-60 time will be a shade quicker than that. I know it wasnt scientific, but I'd bet the folks at M had sub 4 seconds as their target...Although they won't admit it, I'm sure they are tired of hearing the 3.9 seconds from the CTS-V and "fastest sedan in the world" blah blah etc...

As for the Ferrari FF, I'd be HUGELY impressed if the new F10 was quicker than the new Ferarri FF. That thing is 650hp and 4wd. I highly doubt the new M5 will be able to edge it out, mostly because of the 4wd. I'm sure it'll be close though...but only time will tell. With regard to the 612 Scag., the e60 is just about as quick/fast...so it's a formality that the new F10 will be quicker/faster.

I agree with the OP, the new F10 will be better than the E60 in every single way...EXCEPT, engine sound! I love my E60, and the exhaust note is silly! :)
 
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