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Hello from Athens, Greece.


I am thinking of buying the Eisenmann Race (4x83mm) mufflers.
Are there any gains in bhp & torque figures? Do you recommend this exhaust? Should I install the SS X-pipe as well, or the resulting noise entering the cabin will be too loud? :confused2

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Lefteris
 

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Minimal gains in hp/torque. Don't do it for speed, but sound and looks are great. I have the 83mm Eisenmann Sport and they sound great. Definately do it. x-pipe will increase the sound volume.
 

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I could sell you my Eisenmann Race back boxs if you wish? I have Supersprint headers, X pipe and the Eisenmann Race back box and its a touch too loud.
I think i would get the Sport with the system i have but cant afford it until i sell the Race ones...
 

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Granted, nobody should expect gains from just mufflers.

Having said that, when I installed the B&B TriFlos on my car, I show some torque improvement in the lower RPM range. It may have been all in my head (which I'm sure it was), but for some reason, the car felt stronger/more torque below 3K rpm.


However, I am selling the B&B's for the Kelleners because I wanted a louder exhaust than the B&B's, which were too tame for me, even with the X-pipe. The Kelleners and X-pipe is going to be racious.


It depends how loud you want your car, I personally love my car to make a lot of noise, hence going with Kelleners to replace the B&B's.

EDIT: I do not recommend the Kelleners (ESPECIALLY IF YOU PLAN TO DO THE X-PIPE) unless you specifically want the loudest system possible for this car. This is probably the loudest route to go down.
 

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Those exhaust aren't too loud, right?
Meist GT is the loud one.
and Touring sport is the quiet one.
If you are looking for mid-range one, it seems people are looking for,
you can get the Touring HP version.
Just throwing an option out there whomever interested.
also coming out with X-pipe as well.
we will post up some videos and photos shortly.
 

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Loud like what exhaust currently out on the market?
Since we have distributed eisenmann and kelleners for 8 years,
we have pretty good idea what these things sound and look like.
we have gone through probably more than 20 cars installed locally
including our own cars here.

Meisterschaft GT version will be louder than eisenmann Race or kelleners sport.
(For your information, Kelleners Sport and eisenmann Racing units
are identical ones - Kelleners have used eisenmann racing unit previously)

Meist GT has louder yet in higher pitch noise and a lot less droning noise.
More so like the new E60 M5 and E63 M6 tone or new E92 M3 tone.
If you view our E92 M3 video, you will get a good feel of it.

http://www.eisenhaus.com/ehprice.php?selMake=2&selModel=6140&selSub=506&selPerf=3&selTip=1675%230.646115%23none.gif&Submit.x=48&Submit.y=8

We have videos for HP version and GT version,
please review them and obviously on your e39 M5s,
if you add, X pipe, then it will add more sound to it.

Tour HP version will sound a bit quieter than eisen Race or Kelleners in lower RPM range
and when it gets higher rpm range (4k+) the sound will be similar to race but in higher pitch tone
like you see on the E92 M3 car.

Hope this helps.. thanks
 

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wow.. but that still does not change the fact that we have distributed their products over 8 years and have more experience than anyone else in this forum regards to their products.
All our customers already know what you are talking about. And it is clear that we are not selling eisenmann.
We are selling meisterschaft units and our customers and dealers are fine with it. so what is the matter??
 

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...what is the matter, give me a break, it's misleading -plain and simple.
so, selling meisterschaft units are misleading? how so?
We have been selling meisterschaft units for 8 years.
how is that misleading?? why, because we are not helping eisenmann anymore?
We are no longer with eisenmann which is a fact. We are not saying we are selling eisenmann units,
rather we are teling everyone we are no longer working eisenmann in our posts.
so, get your fact straight and again, it is quite interesting how carefully you are following our posts and saying things on your own terms.
It is even amusing how much effort and care you are putting into this matter with your time and energy.
we can't be more happy for you spending all your time to follow up with our posts.

We have no problem supporting our parts and taking care of our customers with our products.
As long as customer wants them, meisterschaft products will be offered - EisenHaus Meisterschaft products.
 

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Since we have distributed eisenmann and kelleners for 8 years,
we have pretty good idea what these things sound and look like.
we have gone through probably more than 20 cars installed locally
including our own cars here.

Meisterschaft GT version will be louder than eisenmann Race or kelleners sport.
(For your information, Kelleners Sport and eisenmann Racing units
are identical ones - Kelleners have used eisenmann racing unit previously)

Meist GT has louder yet in higher pitch noise and a lot less droning noise.
More so like the new E60 M5 and E63 M6 tone or new E92 M3 tone.
If you view our E92 M3 video, you will get a good feel of it.

http://www.eisenhaus.com/ehprice.php?selMake=2&selModel=6140&selSub=506&selPerf=3&selTip=1675%230.646115%23none.gif&Submit.x=48&Submit.y

=8

We have videos for HP version and GT version,
please review them and obviously on your e39 M5s,
if you add, X pipe, then it will add more sound to it.

Tour HP version will sound a bit quieter than eisen Race or Kelleners in lower RPM range
and when it gets higher rpm range (4k+) the sound will be similar to race but in higher pitch tone
like you see on the E92 M3 car.

Hope this helps.. thanks
Wow, talk about misinformation.

The Kelleners and Eisenmann Race are not the same.

All these Eisenmann vendors need a reality check; you guys don't sell Kelleners exhaust, it's just a bite off and marketing scheme when you guys say it's the same thing. IT'S NOT!

You guys are not distributing Kelleners exhausts in the US, Mark is right.
 

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Wow, talk about misinformation.

The Kelleners and Eisenmann Race are not the same.

All these Eisenmann vendors need a reality check; you guys don't sell Kelleners exhaust, it's just a bite off and marketing scheme when you guys say it's the same thing. IT'S NOT!

You guys are not distributing Kelleners exhausts in the US, Mark is right.
Hope you are right about that...
You can probably verify this with eisenmann and Kelleners.
we would be very curious to know what eisenmann will say about this.

You don't have to believe us, what do we know, right?
We only been to German factory several times and talk
with Kelleners and eisenmann almost daily basis for several years. That's all..
Cut them open.. you might get the truth out of it.
Sorry, nothing more to say about this.

Eisenmann is a good company making good products regardless.
and we like kelleners and we know Ralf is really cool guy.
nothing else to say about this subject anymore - no need.
 

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You can probably verify this with eisenmann and Kelleners.
You don't have to believe me, what do we know, right?
We only been to German factory several times and talk with Kelleners and eisenmann almost daily basis for years.
well, back then that was the fact. Cut them open.. you might get the truth out of it.
Sorry, nothing more to say about this.
Nobody is denying that you guys at Eisenhaus didn't distribute for them for years prior to what has happened recently.

But, you guys no longer distribute Kelleners exhaust since this scandal; there is no distributor in the states that does it for the Kelleners exhaust.

Period. End of story.
 
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