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Anyone know why my car wouldn’t respond to downshifting to 2nd gear with the SMG? It felt as if the car wouldn’t allow to go down to 2nd gear until a certain speed or rpms. So several times I had to press the paddle twice as it was unresponsive but also feared pressing it again not wanting it to drop down to 1st gear.

Here is one of my laps, if you see anytime being I’m on 3rd gear downshifting to 2nd before entering a corner is slow because it wasn’t responsive.

Once you solve the track, you could carry 3rd and a lot more speed into Turn 1 and Turn 7. I think that's half the fun -- trying to solve the track and finding time in the corners. Did you get any coaching or instruction during the day? For any level of driver, a good instructor is like having the answer sheet to the exam.


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^Looks like you were on the brakes too early and over slowed -- because you wanted to get into 2nd gear for turn. That's a 3rd gear corner, all day. The cars in front were able to carry more speed through that left hander. Experiment on braking half way between the 2 and 3 marker in 3rd. As you get more comfortable, you'll start trail braking closer to the 1 marker and get the car to rotate into that late apex. Try to get your PS wheel on the kerb to the right when you turn-in, to give you the extra space you need with more speed, for a faster exit. 3rd will also let you get on the throttle earlier and balance the car on exit.

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^Now, with all that new-found speed in 3rd, the car will want to track out to the kerbs on the right as you open up your steering. Looking at the map, it almost looks like if you correctly set the steering angle on turn-in on Turn 7, the car will track out to the right kerbs on Turn 8, and set you up perfectly for the exit apex to carry more exit speed into Turn 9. Basically, it looks like if you can solve Turn 7, Turn 8 can become a flat-out straightaway, into Turn 9.

As for me, I'd probably end up fighting my front tires, end up off the track and in the red circle above!

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it will be awhile before you can find an unloved C8!
I had the #2 spot for a C8 of my small town local Dealer's 7 car allocation, I gave it up due to rumors of drive by wire braking.

It is probably not an issue, but reminded me of many misses i spotted in the driving feel, chassis communication, and response of driver controls of even the best engineered Euro cars.

Thus i backed out, will wait till test drives are available even if that means 2022


love the interior shots starting at 1:48
 

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I'm all for the red circle! Done that a few times.
You and me both. I think responsibly stepping over the line, at a safe spot on a track, is the only way to learn. The dichotomy, of course, is the slap on the wrist from the track Marshall for "leaving the racing surface". But DE days are about safely exploring your cars limits in a safe "closed course" environment and not on public streets!

"Take it to the track!" but don't go off because you will get a black flag and a chat with the Marshall...Thankfully, as long as you can explain yourself to the Marshall, most Marshalls around here take things in stride.
 

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Once you solve the track, you could carry 3rd and a lot more speed into Turn 1 and Turn 7. I think that's half the fun -- trying to solve the track and finding time in the corners. Did you get any coaching or instruction during the day? For any level of driver, a good instructor is like having the answer sheet to the exam.


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^Looks like you were on the brakes too early and over slowed -- because you wanted to get into 2nd gear for turn. That's a 3rd gear corner, all day. The cars in front were able to carry more speed through that left hander. Experiment on braking half way between the 2 and 3 marker in 3rd. As you get more comfortable, you'll start trail braking closer to the 1 marker and get the car to rotate into that late apex. Try to get your PS wheel on the kerb to the right when you turn-in, to give you the extra space you need with more speed, for a faster exit. 3rd will also let you get on the throttle earlier and balance the car on exit.

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^Now, with all that new-found speed in 3rd, the car will want to track out to the kerbs on the right as you open up your steering. Looking at the map, it almost looks like if you correctly set the steering angle on turn-in on Turn 7, the car will track out to the right kerbs on Turn 8, and set you up perfectly for the exit apex to carry more exit speed into Turn 9. Basically, it looks like if you can solve Turn 7, Turn 8 can become a flat-out straightaway, into Turn 9.

As for me, I'd probably end up fighting my front tires, end up off the track and in the red circle above!

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To avoid red circle one needs 285 cup2 on front
The first time I drove track with front no longer available Corsa 285’s I was astounded by how much more front end grip I had
It appeared I could enter corner at any speed I wanted, overcooking a turn was impossible when my corsas were newer break away traction appeared same as static .
Simple trail braking transferred weight to front adding traction to gain control over any kamakazi move I tried.
I could even tighten my arc at the expense of keeping rear from stepping out.
In fact all I had to worry about was being as light as a feather on the throttle, the feeble torque of the s85 between 2500 and 3500 rpm was a godsend
 

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I started a thread in Rennlist a while back, it may be of interest here:


Originally Posted by fatbillybob View Post
This is only true if the event organizer policy lists the participant as an "additional insured." I have only run with maybe 10 groups over last 20 years and only the SCCA policy lists participants as additional insured. I am sure there are other good polices perhaps NASA, POC, PCA clubs with a racing group. I have never seen participants as additional insureds in low end HPDE clubs or occasional track days via FOC. That is why the Ferrari drive got the $90k judgement against him.

I have found no homeowners policy or personal liability umbrella that lists racing as an insured activity.

My research has shown that you have to rely on the organizer to buy the proper policy since it is the only one that protect you. That organization needs to be big enough with a deep brain trust to manage all its working parts to protect participants on and off the track.


Hello,
This is a great and really important discussion thread. I am Ben Phillips, the founder of OpenTrack and we have built an insurance platform for serious drivers. About a year ago, for all the exact reasons mentioned in this thread and post I am quoting, we launched the first and only on-track liability policy for individuals who track.

We were always baffled by the idea that all parties at the track could buy insurance and transfer risk except the individuals who are actually driving on-track and are the lifeblood of the sport. So we built coverage to solve that problem and fill the gap.

Our liability policy protects drivers in the event they are responsible for damage to both individuals (bodily injury) as well as property (other cars on-track or track property). So it is a very comprehensive coverage and offers the protection that is missing from personal liability policies (i.e. umbrella) away from the track.

Visit OpenTrack.com to check it out. $1M or $2M of coverage is available on both an annual basis as well as daily.

Happy to answer any questions.

Thanks,
BP
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Visit our website today for On-Demand Daily and/or Annual Track Insurance. Both Physical Damage and Liability coverages available.

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According to my agent it is driver education not racing so it is still covered. I'm more worried about hitting a more expensive car. Of course there is no expectation of fault at these events but a pissed off driver could still sue. To further that standard all of the clubs require an instructor, Audi, BMW and Porsche club track days are the best value for instruction. Hooked on Driving has just added this feature to there track days but it's a little more expensive.
 

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Wise words of the Owner of a Company i worked for:

"If it is not in writing it was never said"

Got burned by a verbal assurance by an Agent in the past, in fact even if stated in an email by an Agent, they cannot contradict what is in the Policy.
 

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For whatever reason, this guy always cracks me up. He talks about hand position in this video.

 
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