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Mine performed admirably against them on the track - the e46 CSL was another matter though ;)
 

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E36 M3 Evo quicker in outright acceleration until 3rd gear , then almost equal .

E34 M5 , progressive oversteer handling , planted , reassuring . Mature , smoother driver's car .

E36 M3 Evo , edgy , more skittish , young man's M car .

I wouldn't begin to compare build quality !
 

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Agree with David on this one,

The 3.2 E36 pips the M5 over the quarter mile, but once
4th gear is engaged it's pretty even from then on.

I raced a friend at santa pod a few years ago, he had an
estoril blue 3.2.
Each run without fail he would pip me across the quarter,
with a best of 14.1 vs 13.8secs.

At higher speeds....well, last year my friends and I had an
impromptu speed test in Germany on our way to the ring.
My M5 was welded to the rear of my pals 3.2 once the meat
of 3rd gear was done.

Both are cracking cars,
with different characters.

Alan.

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To the passing eye an E36 evo looks the business, the E34 is much more subtle and many might dismiss as an old saloon with nice wheels. In practice the amount of weight the E34 is shifting in a controlled fashion is much more impressive than the more obvious and much lighter E36. Both are brilliant cars but to be honest the M3 I would desire most would be an E30 evo.

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Both excellent cars.

I have driven a very low mileage Evo and I was surprised at how good it was.

I don't quite understand why people slate them so much - maybe they've driven bad examples?

A nice standard Evo in excellent condition without the spoiler looks brilliant still.

The tuning options for the Evo are also huge and staying within safe limits it can be made a significantly quicker car without ruining it.
 

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To the passing eye an E36 evo looks the business, the E34 is much more subtle and many might dismiss as an old saloon with nice wheels. In practice the amount of weight the E34 is shifting in a controlled fashion is much more impressive than the more obvious and much lighter E36. Both are brilliant cars but to be honest the M3 I would desire most would be an E30 evo.
So there is the dream car for You vadas1 and not so far away.:eek:oohhh:

Go and buy it! :thumbsup: More info here: http://pistonheads.co.uk/sales/351700.htm
 

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On one of the trips to the Ring last year we encountered an E36 M3, can't remember if it was an Evo or not but think it was based on the performance.

The car in question did not necessarily have long to live based on the stuff coming out of the exhaust on every up shift, and for another reason 30 mins after arriving at the Ring ouich. However, it kept the E34 honest well into triple digits, the E34 getting the advantage at top end. :blink:

I also wonder why the E36 gets so slated, if you accept the fact that it is never going to be as special as the cars that preceeded it, then it can make a very decent road car, and an even better trackday car. IMO.
 

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Many of the common things said about the E36's are as follows (on many forums and from a few people on here):

Build quality poor - this really comes down from the early E36 325i which used to have interior bits falling off all the time. However, even my late(ish) E36 328i Sport is very well put together. Not as good as the E34 but not far off to be honest.

VANOS System unreliable - don't know how true this actually is to be honest. It's not something that is apparently much of an issue in Germany - another E30 M3 timing chain fraud?
From dyno results it sure as hell works giving an incredibly flat torque curve with considerably more torque upto 3000rpm than an S38B38. They do get a little noisy though but still work properly.
I think the VANOS is the one thing that maybe makes the engine a bit lifeless as there is no 'peak' in the power delivery to speak of.

I personally like driving them (hard). Finding a nice unabused and standard one is very hard.

I was not a real fan of these cars until I drove a very nice standard example.
 

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I've had E36 M3s , 2 Evos ( Rolls Royce built Double Vanos Unit ) and one 3 litre coupe with the single vanos .....

I wanted to sell all 3 after a month of ragging around ......I've never had that feeling with an E34 M5 .
 

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The timing chain issue with E30 is a fraud.
The Double vanos is no fraud on E36 EVO.
Its real & its no joke.

I have to disagreee with you there to some extent.

The key word is maintenance. I cannot deny there have been documented problems with the VANOS but (and I have researched this topic to death) the underlying problem appears to be ignorance both from the owner and the BMW service schedule.

Replacing the VANOS filter and bolts at every inspection is a surefire way of seeing >100k from the S50 B52 engine. This simple 5 minute job is almost unheard of and IIRC is not part of the BMW service routine (hence the catalougue of failures).
 

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What part do you disagree with ?
That the Double Vanos fails ?
Its a matter of recorded history to my knowledge.
Any of these cars that racked mileage have seen a Vanos unit.

Maintenance is key with all specialised engines
I agree on the service & maintenance of filter & bolts.
The service items you mention are not the complete solution it would
seem.
It certainly can help.

Thats also why so many //M engines fail....ignorance & or neglect of
maintenance.
Unfortunate.

Double Vanos.
There are cars I am aware of that are on their third unit & have done 120k plus.
Theres no contest that its maintenance driven to an extent.
Unfortunately, there is also some concern of the build quality of the unit
in the past.

I don't know where things stand on this topic today.
I will make some enquiries on usage though.

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I fully accept the VANOS can and does go wrong. However, there are many (on e36coupe.com for example) who have done 100k+ on the original unit.

Indeed, a recent straw poll on the above site, indicated that there was only a 12% failure rate (i.e. where the VANOS unit had been replaced) from cars that were nearing or had passed 100k as well as lower mileage examples like mine. I'd post a link but I believe you have to be a member to view it.

So there is still an issue, but I'd argue it's not as bad as many make out.

Also, sympathetic throttle use when cold seems to help the VANOS last longer, which many have been ignorant of in the past.
 

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Back in 2001 the BMW CC GB held a canonball run across Holland, Belgium and Germany.

At times that suited the road conditions and the driver! this group of just 5 cars each maxed out at sometime across the weekend.

The road cleared on a two lane section, eye contact was made with the 3.2 evo to the side of me and off we went.

The M3 gained momentarily upto about 100 mph but then the M5 came back and started to slowly pull away - no substitute for litres and we called it a day at 150 ish.
 
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