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not trying to cause any unwarranted strife among enthusiast on the e34 side of the board. just about exhausted all resources looking for "hot" lap times regarding e34 m5 for nurburgring anyone have a site here. thanks.
E34 M5 Nurburgring lap times query
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Ahh,
talk of lap times is frowned upon here,
incase someone injures themself doing a 4 minute 50 sec lap whilst
towing a caravan full of Nitrous oxide.....
However I think I'm allowed to quote the original brochure I have here
that states 8'45.....
Regards,
Alan.
I always make sure my gas bottles are firmly bolted down...
talk of lap times is frowned upon here,
incase someone injures themself doing a 4 minute 50 sec lap whilst
towing a caravan full of Nitrous oxide.....
However I think I'm allowed to quote the original brochure I have here
that states 8'45.....
Regards,
Alan.
I always make sure my gas bottles are firmly bolted down...
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the few that caught my attention on the web have to much backround chatter. im thinking the m5 was born and honed on the track due to partial naming such as suspension, but hard pressed to find articles or flat out video on the net concerning the ring
have an eye on a blk candian m5 that is a stone throw away from my home, at an independant shop, problem is it has no tilte or reg. and is under a few layers of grit.
have an eye on a blk candian m5 that is a stone throw away from my home, at an independant shop, problem is it has no tilte or reg. and is under a few layers of grit.
Talk about the Nurburgring is most welcome here, but mention of specific lap times is verboten.
The thinking that I was led to understand was, that discussing laptimes on this particular board encouraged people to view the Nordschleife Nurburgring as a racetrack rather than a one-way two-lane partially de-restricted toll-road in the German countryside.
I believe this stemmed from the board's original URL at m5.com rather than m5board.com at at time when BMW Europe were getting funny about site content. The decision was to keep the site low-key and squeaky clean as much as possible.
The E34 and BMW have a heavy history with the Nurburgring so every other topic including Touristenfarhten (Public driving days) are well worth mentioning and posting about, but no posting your lap time.
There have been several videos posted in the past of the E34 going around the track. The most famous of the E34 M5 ones is the one with the America guy commenting on various stuff around the track. It is not a particularly great video content-wise if I recall.
Since the ban a couple of years back by the operators of the 'Ring on members of the public recording their laps during public days without a permit, several websites have frowned upon linking to videos of this type. On m5board.com there is no specific blanket ban I am aware of, but I do know that posting videos of accidents and crashes will be removed. The video ban by the operators of the track was to try and prevent the possible scenario of a death being filmed and then widely dispersed on the internet, raising the track's profile to the nay-sayers and do-gooders, possible resulting in a closure of the entire Touristenfahrten idea.
Back in the real word, many video clips are present on the ubiquitous Youtube as well as most enthusiast's websites, especially Subaru's and Mitsubishi Evo's.
If you wish to discuss the Nurburgring times and techniques for improving them in a safe and acceptable manner, you will have to go to a forum where this is permitted. The best two I know would be www.northloop.co.uk (my choice) and www.bridgetogantry.com (very famous)
General Nurburgring information is on the very good www.nurburgring.org site run by Ben Lovejoy.
Finally, have you been to the Nurburgring yet? If there is one subject in the motoring forum world that is subject to hyperbole and mis-information, it is that track and the spoutings of people who have not been.
If you have not been, I promise you that your laptime will be of no consequence whatsoever for at least the first few visits. The sheer spectacle and experience of the track is awesome.
Once you get used to the place you will quickly find that as many people have noted in the last year to two years, the Touristenfarten days at the weekends and summer evenings have been getting ever busier. The common bank holidays in April (Easter normally) and August are so busy now that experienced drivers are now avoiding them, but if a newbie, it is worth going to see the variety of cars on display.
As the numbers of cars have been increasing, the opportunity for a clear lap during the TF slots is increasingly rare. When we went last summer, we had not a single run through the Foxhole un-impeded in three days.
Drivers now tend to discuss the sections of a lap they were pleased with and corners they nailed perfectly, rather than the overall lap time. Driving the track correctly and on the limit with a slower car is vastly far more satisfying than going five-tenths in a supercar.
Err.. I'll shut up now. hmmm
Ivan
The thinking that I was led to understand was, that discussing laptimes on this particular board encouraged people to view the Nordschleife Nurburgring as a racetrack rather than a one-way two-lane partially de-restricted toll-road in the German countryside.
I believe this stemmed from the board's original URL at m5.com rather than m5board.com at at time when BMW Europe were getting funny about site content. The decision was to keep the site low-key and squeaky clean as much as possible.
The E34 and BMW have a heavy history with the Nurburgring so every other topic including Touristenfarhten (Public driving days) are well worth mentioning and posting about, but no posting your lap time.
There have been several videos posted in the past of the E34 going around the track. The most famous of the E34 M5 ones is the one with the America guy commenting on various stuff around the track. It is not a particularly great video content-wise if I recall.
Since the ban a couple of years back by the operators of the 'Ring on members of the public recording their laps during public days without a permit, several websites have frowned upon linking to videos of this type. On m5board.com there is no specific blanket ban I am aware of, but I do know that posting videos of accidents and crashes will be removed. The video ban by the operators of the track was to try and prevent the possible scenario of a death being filmed and then widely dispersed on the internet, raising the track's profile to the nay-sayers and do-gooders, possible resulting in a closure of the entire Touristenfahrten idea.
Back in the real word, many video clips are present on the ubiquitous Youtube as well as most enthusiast's websites, especially Subaru's and Mitsubishi Evo's.
If you wish to discuss the Nurburgring times and techniques for improving them in a safe and acceptable manner, you will have to go to a forum where this is permitted. The best two I know would be www.northloop.co.uk (my choice) and www.bridgetogantry.com (very famous)
General Nurburgring information is on the very good www.nurburgring.org site run by Ben Lovejoy.
Finally, have you been to the Nurburgring yet? If there is one subject in the motoring forum world that is subject to hyperbole and mis-information, it is that track and the spoutings of people who have not been.
If you have not been, I promise you that your laptime will be of no consequence whatsoever for at least the first few visits. The sheer spectacle and experience of the track is awesome.
Once you get used to the place you will quickly find that as many people have noted in the last year to two years, the Touristenfarten days at the weekends and summer evenings have been getting ever busier. The common bank holidays in April (Easter normally) and August are so busy now that experienced drivers are now avoiding them, but if a newbie, it is worth going to see the variety of cars on display.
As the numbers of cars have been increasing, the opportunity for a clear lap during the TF slots is increasingly rare. When we went last summer, we had not a single run through the Foxhole un-impeded in three days.
Drivers now tend to discuss the sections of a lap they were pleased with and corners they nailed perfectly, rather than the overall lap time. Driving the track correctly and on the limit with a slower car is vastly far more satisfying than going five-tenths in a supercar.
Err.. I'll shut up now. hmmm
Ivan
The lap time is unimportant.
The lap time of one car with a certain driver on a certain configuration will be different to another, due to people not being able to drive the 'original' Nürburgring, nor the full track on a tourist day.
I guess you'd have to see what time any E34 M5s ran during a 24hr or other race there where the full track is in use.
BTW I did it in 6:32 in my Ultima GTR on PGR4 :haha2: and 7:14 in a BMW M1.
The lap time of one car with a certain driver on a certain configuration will be different to another, due to people not being able to drive the 'original' Nürburgring, nor the full track on a tourist day.
I guess you'd have to see what time any E34 M5s ran during a 24hr or other race there where the full track is in use.
BTW I did it in 6:32 in my Ultima GTR on PGR4 :haha2: and 7:14 in a BMW M1.
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no please continue i have read remarks about pinning your car in certin areas of nordschleife, w and w/o traffic. however my underpinnings are focused around encompassing the entire track rather then sections, due to a lack of run. i've yet to visit the ring myself besides using a video game controller, pitting my skils against the next, the way you speak of nordschleife, its an experience the like seeing one of the wonders of the world. the engery there is probably unparelle, can you express any sites the one might visit to get a brids eye view other then the aforementiond. looking for bmws specificaly
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Personally I hate the fact that the Ring is so 'hot' these days. Every car mag mentions it, every car manufacturer tests there, every Impreza owner claims to live there, every motorcyclists leads us to believe that he overtook Enzo's there. I wish not so many people knew and spoke about the place, so it was a little less crowded and fought for !
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Agree completely. I drove my last lap in october 2007 for exactly that reason.
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had no idea what an ultima was before you mentiond it, from a quick scan not your run of the mill thoroughbred. an the m1 time. wow. you must live on octane, in order to acheive those times
I don't. Have been there 4 weekends so far in 2008, 3 of which the track opened. Got 25 laps in so far, so my Jahreskarte is half way towards driving for free.
Yes there's too much publicity, and yes there's too much hype. But driving outside the season is great, all you have to do is stay away from mad sundays, and crazy days like easter. Thanks to people like Ben Lovejoy and Gary Kinghorn (Northloop) even a lot of the British are starting to get a clue of the rules and how to behave. That leaves us only with a lot of frenchmen and Italians who don't have a clue and worse, often can't read German or English.
Those of you coming down will be in for a suprise, as a lot of sections have been repaved, and a few signs are gone, as are some dots. A lot of the new tarmac is more slippery in the wet, but sticks like gum in the dry.
Don't have any recent footage of the 540i, but plenty driving a friends Alfa, and should have some legal Scuderia footage in september. Not sure which car that'll be with though.
Even when lapping all day it's still easy to make a mistake by not concentrating, here's me royally scr*wing up the approach to Breidsheid a few weeks ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrElGnfIPhY
Saved by Mov'it! There's a whole bunch of black Powerflex coming in for that car next week, as 2 more weekends of Ring and 75 laps of Zandvoort last thursday killed every bush and enginemount in it.... Bigger (147 GTA) rear brakes have been fitted since that clip.
I also have a legal full lap by DickRS in his e34 M5 on my PC, but it's too big to upload to youtube at 136MB. Anyone have spare FTP space?
The little bit that I heard was from Tony at Munich Legends who said that Steve Soper drove literally thousands of miles at Ring in developing the suspension setup for the e34 m5. Hence, no surprise that the car feels so at home at the Ring especially when you press the S button.
I'm proud to say that I completed a lap of the Ring on the same day I started and in one piece!
:cheers:
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Agree...you have to pick your moment (or day)
I was there begining of September last year & stayed on a few days...
Just walking around the ring on a "closed" day was fantastic..(Monday) you could
hear a pin drop...the sound broken only by the occasional M3 4door being
tested by BMW....
Late in the day it was reopened to the public & we did a lap in the company
of only 10 or 12 cars....magic :applause:
before video's were banned, i have a 15:40 clip of my first lap ever on the ring with the M5:M5launch:
this was with winter tires, 4 blown EDC shocks, and a silly american not used to driving on a track with more than 9 corners:wroom:
not sure what i can do now with 30 something laps under my belt, but i know after some laps i have to pull the boys out from hiding, so that's good enough for me. I'm sure my M5 would be quick around the ring with a good driver
edit: not an M5, but here is my friend jakes properly set up 540 touring at the ring
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-687299131030086693&hl=en-GB
and here is another old old old video, i think this is one of the first vids i saw of the ring!
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5670400535859279046
this was with winter tires, 4 blown EDC shocks, and a silly american not used to driving on a track with more than 9 corners:wroom:
not sure what i can do now with 30 something laps under my belt, but i know after some laps i have to pull the boys out from hiding, so that's good enough for me. I'm sure my M5 would be quick around the ring with a good driver
edit: not an M5, but here is my friend jakes properly set up 540 touring at the ring
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-687299131030086693&hl=en-GB
and here is another old old old video, i think this is one of the first vids i saw of the ring!
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5670400535859279046
540i/6T = Illegal footage. Sound is porn, but lines suck. And a gear higher 50% of the turns would help!
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here's a vid of me and Baker Jnr + my mate in the back, taken a year or so ago...
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2194469951104859102&q=ring+lap+part+1&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Thankfully i know the place a little better now!
Steve
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2194469951104859102&q=ring+lap+part+1&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Thankfully i know the place a little better now!
Steve
I don't remeber how many laps he'd done, but i do think that he had only done about 10 laps before that trip. not too bad if you ask me... first time on the ring in a few years, first time is a huge *** wagon, first time driving said huge *** wagon after replacing the 3.0L with a 4.4L, and a complete suspension and brake overhaul including switching to a custom locking 3.64 LSD.
here is another in his italian 320is after i think around 60 or 70 laps. that car was a hoot to ride in!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHIlVLmgB2I
I'll edit out the video's if you have a problem with themouich
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you arent encouraged to time it and marshals wont let you out if they can see a camera or stopwatch, i usually try april and october because a busy day is just a procession of cars and bikes, my best has been 8.32 and that was 8.30 ish on a sunday morning, empty track heaven. now i dont time at all its all about trying to link up a smooth lap,use the playstation as much as you can to familiarise yourself with whats coming ,i used 330 beemer on the game and this will give you some idea of entry speeds. ive done 120 laps and know the bends.locals say it takes 500 to learn the bumps
you arent encouraged to time it and marshals wont let you out if they can see a camera or stopwatch, i usually try april and october because a busy day is just a procession of cars and bikes, my best has been 8.32 and that was 8.30 ish on a sunday morning, empty track heaven. now i dont time at all its all about trying to link up a smooth lap,use the playstation as much as you can to familiarise yourself with whats coming ,i used 330 beemer on the game and this will give you some idea of entry speeds. ive done 120 laps and know the bends.locals say it takes 500 to learn the bumps
What game are you using on the Playstation ?
After pouring scorn on Ivan at the Ring last year , I am going full circle and beginning to accept that a computer game may actually assist in achieving a smoother real life lap !
Ivan , please accept my apologies for being so scathing in the past !
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After pouring scorn on Ivan at the Ring last year , I am going full circle and beginning to accept that a computer game may actually assist in achieving a smoother real life lap !
Ivan , please accept my apologies for being so scathing in the past !
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