[Marven]

Hey Guys - I just dont get it - we all know the going rate for 2000-2001 M5's...do you guys know something I dont? Is there some sort of "scam" I should be looking for? Below I have cut&pasted 3 "cheap" M5's...besides not having a warranty what else should be I looking for? I am a firm believer in 'if it's too good to be true, it usually is...." Has someone else ever purchased one and if so what was the result?

Thx Guys!
Marven

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2000 BMW M5, 50K mi, air bag, abs, ac, cc, lthr, p/seats, p/windows, stereo, pdl, sunroof, $19,000, 618-629-2501


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2002 BMW M5, 11K mi, Email me at : [email protected] for more details.Thanks!, $14,999, 415-931-3292


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2002 BMW M5, 47K mi, i want to sell fast my car(in perfect condition,like new).I will reply you for details,please e-mail me here:[email protected]


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[chunpng]

Marven,

Why don't you get the phone numbers off these listings and call? Chances are they are not in-use. I have seen literally hundreds of these ads on Auto-Traders, mostly on higher end cars, M5s. Carreras, MBs, and called may be 50 of these listings. Numbers are NEVER in-use.

It is a scam of some sort except I can't figure how they can scam anyone's $$$$. And I believe they have to pay Auto-Traders for these listings as well. It is something I've seen for years, but clueless as to what's happening.

CP

 

[ard]

Here are two different replies I received from these scams:

Where are you from?
I'm in NY right now. I have a business here.
It has a perfectly clean title. No accidents or other
damages what so ever. Not even a scratch.
I can have it shipped anywhere within US.
After you will receive it you will have a 5 days
inspection period to check it, and if after inspection
everything is ok I will wait for the payment. If after
inspection you discover any problems at all and you
will no longer want it I will have the car shipped
back to me. But since this is an as new car I'm sure
that there will be no problem.
I prefer certified funds (MO/cashier check) or wire
transfer.
Let me know if you are interested in buying it
Regards


Another one - note these where two different 'cars' and where three months apart- same scammer or perhaps same off shore gang:


My number is (646) 485-0977
As I said in my listing the car is in as new condition. I'm selling it because I'm waiting for my new 5-series that is coming soon and I need the money ASAP to pay it in full.

Where are you from?

I'm in NY. I have a business here.

It has a perfectly clean title. No accidents or other damages what so ever.

If you decide to buy it I want a $3000 deposit. After that I can have it shipped to you. I hope that you are within US, because I don't want to ship it or sell it abroad. Too much trouble.

After you will receive it you will have a 5 days inspection period to check it, and if after inspection everything is OK I will wait for the balance payment to be done. If after inspection you discover any problems at all and you will no longer want it I will completely refund you and have the car shipped back to me. But since this is an almost brand new car I'm sure that there will be no problem.

Let me know if you are interested in buying it

Regards


There are post on how not to get taken. Here is a tip:
Do not give anyone any money until YOU see the car. If they can't do so, you don't need the deal. Of course they will make it seem like you will miss a great deal.

Good luck-

A

 

[Marven]

There are post on how not to get taken. Here is a tip:
Do not give anyone any money until YOU see the car. If they can't do so, you don't need the deal. Of course they will make it seem like you will miss a great deal.

A

Thx for the replies guys - that really helps! If I cant see it I dont buy it! I'll try the old "my brother is near, he is going to come by"..and see what the response is...

Marven

 

[DavidS]

It could also be people who has an interest in creating a downward pressure on the general market price.

On the other hand sometimes people actually need to make a quick sale for perfectly good reasons.

If you get a working phone number, a registration number, a VIN and have a fellow board member go look at the car, you would be fairly certain the car exists.

David

 

[akiramats1]

I would definitely check the VIN and have someone trustworthy take a look at the car before sending any money. I doubt that these are legitimate postings

 

[HDClown]

99.99% of times those are scams. You'll e-mail them, they'll tell you they are out of country and want a certified check or some crazy crap. Then when you get the car, if you don't like it, they say they will refund you. NOT.

I don't think I've ever seen someone come back and say they got a car at one of those ridiculously low prices, any car.

 

[4ocious]

Read the seller replies folks, look at the poor use of English! The sentence structure indicates the "sellers" are not from the US. Yeah, and send me a $3000.00 deposit (that you'll never see again). These are clearly scams! I wish we had capital punishment for these crimes.

 

[Ashok Arora]

Reminds me of the original M5 scam:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3078503/



Please be careful!

 

[rodman31]

:typing: I too believe it is a scam of one sort or another! There are times they will list the car low on purpose to get calls and then they hit you with the real price. Anyway, stay far,far,far away!!! :M5thumbs:

Good luck with your search, I know what it feels like!!

 

[Marven]

:typing: I too believe it is a scam of one sort or another! There are times they will list the car low on purpose to get calls and then they hit you with the real price. Anyway, stay far,far,far away!!! :M5thumbs:

Good luck with your search, I know what it feels like!!

Thx Rodman and everyone else that replied! The info and help is appreciated!
I will continue my search..
:typing:

Marven

 

[jlindy]

No if's, and's, or but's about it. It is a scam. The only sure thing here is that you won't ever see your deposit again or the car for that matter.

 

[J Irwan]

No if's, and's, or but's about it. It is a scam. The only sure thing here is that you won't ever see your deposit again or the car for that matter.

EXACTLY !


Regards,

J Irwan

 

[ard]

99.99% of times those are scams.

Nope, 100%!



A

 

[gsfent]

Nope, 100%!



A

You guys are all so distrustful. Just offer to overpay by $10,000 in a cashiers check because you are going through a divorce. When he sends back the extra $10,000, he can send the car at the same time. Won't that work for everybody?? Let us know how many emails you get after you send that one. hiha cherrsagai
Regards,
Jerry

 

[Beamer_usa]

If something sounds to good to be true, it usually is. Beware these cars probably don't even exist. SCAMS!

 

[Stickman]

Reminds me of the original M5 scam:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3078503/



Please be careful!

Thanks for sharing this Ashok - I hadn't heard about the fake Escrow companies.

I agree with the other comments already made.
Safe Hunting!

 

[Marven]

If something sounds to good to be true, it usually is. Beware these cars probably don't even exist. SCAMS!

So emailed one of the guys - just to see what I would get - this is what he replied...

Hi there!
First of all thank you for your interest in my car.I am now in UK, working. I will stay here for a couple of years, that is why I am selling it so cheap. The car is in the garage and the keys are with me.It has a clear title, and has not been in any accidents. I just want to sell it as fast as posible. I could get to the states next week and you will make a test drive and a mechanical inspection before we make the papers.
Email me if you have more questions or you are interested in setting up an meeting for the test drive.

Thank you

I guess the BAD english kinda gives it away - curious about the "test drive" part...probably will want a deposit before he ships it for a test drive...:haha:

 

[gsfent]

So emailed one of the guys - just to see what I would get - this is what he replied...

Hi there!
First of all thank you for your interest in my car.I am now in UK, working. I will stay here for a couple of years, that is why I am selling it so cheap. The car is in the garage and the keys are with me.It has a clear title, and has not been in any accidents. I just want to sell it as fast as posible. I could get to the states next week and you will make a test drive and a mechanical inspection before we make the papers.
Email me if you have more questions or you are interested in setting up an meeting for the test drive.

Thank you

I guess the BAD english kinda gives it away - curious about the "test drive" part...probably will want a deposit before he ships it for a test drive...:haha:

Sounds like the car is here, he is in UK. Wonder if he will require a "good faith deposit" before he comes over to show you are serious??hmmm
Regards,
Jerry

 

[Beamer_usa]

Sounds like the car is here, he is in UK. Wonder if he will require a "good faith deposit" before he comes over to show you are serious??hmmm
Regards,
Jerry

I second that, he'll probably ask you for a deposit "good faith" and once he has the money. See Ya!