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Another Red Cog / Constant Chime question

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Hi all-

I'm looking for some help after a failed repair this weekend. What follows is the background, what's been done, some questions about how things work technically, and a request for advice on how to proceed. Here goes.

I performed a clutch and associated parts replacement due to some of the standard slipping, banging into drive symptoms that indicate a drivetrain issue.

The throwout bearing was just about completely stripped, which is what was likely the cause of the bad shifting/drive engagement. Here are the new parts I replaced:

  • New throwout bearing
  • New clutch fork
  • New clutch pivot thing (plastic, OEM BMW part)
  • Refurbished clutch: sent the old one out to Kentucky Clutch and had them install Kevlar friction material

Work I did while the transmission was out:

  • I swapped the bolts from the slave cylinder into the transmission as some insurance for later.
  • I inspected the slave cylinder but didn't see any signs of leaking so it was not replaced.
  • I replaced all the o rings on the solenoids
  • I unpinned and resealed all the wires to the sensor strip, as they were cracking and copper was exposed

When I went to start the adaptation, it never completed and I ended up with a red cog and a constant chime. I was able to drive that way without any performance issue and the new clutch and components gave me fast, smooth shifts (after breaking in the new clutch gently).

It seemed like I needed to revisit the components that I thought were OK. As such, I recently did the following work:

- Rebuilt the slave cylinder (new seals, kit from SMG Society MLR)

After many, many rounds of bleeding the system, the adaptation failed again, so I moved on to the last component that I thought might be the issue:

- Replaced the PLCD sensor/harness

Again, the adaptation failed in INPA. I tried to use DIS, as well, but that did not work. I've never been able to understand how to use ISTA, so I was not able to try the adaptation with that software.

Here's the technical questions:

  • Besides the seals in the slave cylinder, what else could wear out? The other important thing in there is the magnet ring that slides along the rod does that wear out? It is possible that it has slid out of position somehow?
  • Is there any other way to test the PLCD itself? I'm not sure, now, that my old PLCD was faulty.
  • The error seems to be that the zero point of the clutch position is out of range. Would this be caused by a lower general thickness of the friction material (which is what I observed with the Kevlar clutch material, as compared with the standard/remaining organic clutch material)

What's my next step?
Can I somehow trick the software into thinking that the clutch engagement point is in range, somehow?
Is it possible this is a result of my "fix" of the sensor strip wires?

Let me just say, the car has been driving great, just driving me crazy with the incessant chime.

Thanks
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This is from memory as the car has been put to bed and I am not able to connect and check. Once you get into the SMG module check, snip and image and clear the codes. Then go back and there should be an activate tab. You can run the pump and shift the gears manually. If I recall correctly it may not work the first time, try again. Once you get the pump running back out and go to analog 1 to watch the pressure. It should continue to cycle and you can record the time. anything under 2min and when the oil heats up you will get excessive cycling.

A couple of things to remember. The SMG setting will effect the cycling pressure, higher setting higher pressure. Temperature will also effect cycling pressure, higher temperature higher pressure. After you manually activate the pump and you back out and disconnect the laptop it should continue to run. Keep the drivers door open and it should cycle and be very easy to here. INPA is very safe to use and it would be difficult to screw things up.

With all that said if there is something physically wrong none of this may work. When I pulled my motor the first time it took several attempts to get the coupling in correctly and the pump running again.
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In addition to what @Alan Arnesen mentioned, some times for example when there is an internal leak or pressure reduced by INPA the motor no longer works on its own, the fix if disconnecting battery or disconnecting SMG control unit connectors was to lock the car shut and hide the key fob for 10-15 minutes and then unlock it again and the pump restarts. I think this period of time is the time required for the first stage car sleep, after that period of time you wake up the car again by unlock the car open the driver door and the pump starts. Reducing pressure using ISTA is different if you followed the repair sequence prior to maintenance session, I think ISTA will activate the normal operation of the SMG control unit after the repair is done which different than INPA. You can explore these features if you interested to know more about the hidden functions.
OK, quick update. I ended up removing the transmission (Again. If I'm not careful, I might get good at this) and discovered the my rebuild of the slave cylinder had failed. The internal lock ring that holds the boot down had come out, which may have been playing a role in some of the errors.

At any rate, I have now ordered a new, standard clutch disk, as well as a new E46 slave cylinder (I can't help myself from experimenting!), and I'll update this thread once I get everything installed. With the bolts swapped from the E60 slave cylinder, if the SMG2 slave cylinder works, it's half the price or less than the E60 version. Which is somewhat suspect in and of itself, admittedly.

Cheers
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OK, quick update. I ended up removing the transmission (Again. If I'm not careful, I might get good at this) and discovered the my rebuild of the slave cylinder had failed. The internal lock ring that holds the boot down had come out, which may have been playing a role in some of the errors.

At any rate, I have now ordered a new, standard clutch disk, as well as a new E46 slave cylinder (I can't help myself from experimenting!), and I'll update this thread once I get everything installed. With the bolts swapped from the E60 slave cylinder, if the SMG2 slave cylinder works, it's half the price or less than the E60 version. Which is somewhat suspect in and of itself, admittedly.

Cheers
Someone posted on insta about the E46 SMG slave. Yes it fits, just need to machine flat the surface that the PLCD attaches to. I remember sharing the link.
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