Alpina B9 restoration
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Doesn't it feel great to see what the results are of all of that hard work......
looks great - :haha:
The Gold Stripes look fantastic with the body color - :applause:
looks great - :haha:
The Gold Stripes look fantastic with the body color - :applause:
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Congrats, your B9 is very nice!
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many thanks to all, it makes me great pleasure to see my job so much appreciated.
Now, i'm finishing details, and i'm waiting for the french homologation papers, from Bmw France. From now it's hard to wait, because the car is almost ready to go on the road. It sounds beautiful and the engine seems very healthy.
Now, i'm finishing details, and i'm waiting for the french homologation papers, from Bmw France. From now it's hard to wait, because the car is almost ready to go on the road. It sounds beautiful and the engine seems very healthy.
Yb9projectcarb9projectcar said:
your car is wonderfull! you wrote JS2 !!
Please contact me via my website www.frenchrendezvous.cc
would like to know more about this car , thanks a lot
Sorry for this offtopic message
Regards,
Thierry
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Hello Ligier Js2
Thanks for the comment.
I will answer to you in private about this JS2 i know.
Thanks for the comment.
I will answer to you in private about this JS2 i know.
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:byebye: Hi everybody !
I have some news to announce you.
You know all that the B9 of B9boy, official press car for Sytner, was destroyed unfortunatly.
You know that my B9 hasn't a genuine Alpina B9 engine.
So i can now tell you that a car is dead, another will be soon alive.
Fortunatly, the engine was saved before the bodyshell was reduced to nothing, and now, it's mine ! It took me one month because of hollidays of the seller (not B9boy, but a garagist, with the big help of B9boy) and because of waiting for confirmation of all matching numbers.
The engine is of course full genuine, with the good cylinder head and engine numbers.
I have to say that often, owners of Alpina are writing: My engine is genuine because there is 7777777 VIN number on it and B9/1 type for exemple.
This is not enough for Alpina to authentify the engine !
There must be a 4 digits number, this is the only way for Alpina to say, "Yes, this is the genuine one". The engine i bought has this number stamped, not far from the Vin and the B9/1 type.
The other thing is that Alpina germany hasn't any informations about bodyshell numbers from Sytner. So the seven digits i sent them first, is nothing for them, not in registry. I was very disapointed to not have the confirmation for the engine, only for the cylinder head.
And when the garagist came back from his hollidays, he found the 4 digits number.
Now, this is a new step in my project, with the genuine engine.
The only bad point is that the motronic wasn't saved. Just hope my car still have the correct one, or i will need a good motronic to make a copy of the chip. I don't have Alpina sticker on my box, but there is some kind of dirt, like a sticker was gone some times ago.
I'm always sorry for B9boy, as his B9 was beautiful. I can imagine what he can feel, if my B9 was destroyed after all the work i've done.
I will send some photos when i receive it, and of the swap job, after a good cleaning, painting of the new one. Well not new with 159 000 miles, but i know that those engines are bloody strong if well maintained.
See you soon. :M5thumbs:
I have some news to announce you.
You know all that the B9 of B9boy, official press car for Sytner, was destroyed unfortunatly.
You know that my B9 hasn't a genuine Alpina B9 engine.
So i can now tell you that a car is dead, another will be soon alive.
Fortunatly, the engine was saved before the bodyshell was reduced to nothing, and now, it's mine ! It took me one month because of hollidays of the seller (not B9boy, but a garagist, with the big help of B9boy) and because of waiting for confirmation of all matching numbers.
The engine is of course full genuine, with the good cylinder head and engine numbers.
I have to say that often, owners of Alpina are writing: My engine is genuine because there is 7777777 VIN number on it and B9/1 type for exemple.
This is not enough for Alpina to authentify the engine !
There must be a 4 digits number, this is the only way for Alpina to say, "Yes, this is the genuine one". The engine i bought has this number stamped, not far from the Vin and the B9/1 type.
The other thing is that Alpina germany hasn't any informations about bodyshell numbers from Sytner. So the seven digits i sent them first, is nothing for them, not in registry. I was very disapointed to not have the confirmation for the engine, only for the cylinder head.
And when the garagist came back from his hollidays, he found the 4 digits number.
Now, this is a new step in my project, with the genuine engine.
The only bad point is that the motronic wasn't saved. Just hope my car still have the correct one, or i will need a good motronic to make a copy of the chip. I don't have Alpina sticker on my box, but there is some kind of dirt, like a sticker was gone some times ago.
I'm always sorry for B9boy, as his B9 was beautiful. I can imagine what he can feel, if my B9 was destroyed after all the work i've done.
I will send some photos when i receive it, and of the swap job, after a good cleaning, painting of the new one. Well not new with 159 000 miles, but i know that those engines are bloody strong if well maintained.
See you soon. :M5thumbs:
My B9/1 Motronic unit also does not have any labels on the case but you can see where it was affixed at one point. With mine being brought into the US, I was worried that the motronic may have been switched. I contacted Alpina and was routed back to the US parts distributor and they basically wanted to tell me about the availibility and prices of new units. So I opened the unit that I have to see what is on the chip and it is marked as Alpina. I sent the pics to Alpina for possible verification and was told that they can no longer accept my core to be reconditioned and must now purchase a new one because I have opened the unit. They did not seem to understand that I do not want to buy a new unit.b9projectcar said:
So, I remembered looking at your site and thought that I remembered seeing your motronic and searched back to see if I could see your case size and markings but did not see enought to help. Your site was great and I really enjoyed it but I am still trying to figure what the base motronic that Alpina used was. Is it the 060 or 061 motronic, or something else?
These are pics of mine and my chassis build date was 05/85.
Todd
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Hi Alpina Csi
Many thanks for posting the pictures.
You have a more recent motronic as mine, the 061 is the one used on B6 3,5 261 HP (i have a friend who has got one).
I thought that Alpina B9 used only the 0 261 200 011 and not the 061.
But you show me that it is wrong.
The main difference between the 061 and the 011, is that the chip on the 061 is removable easily. Son you can take it out, put it on a reader/writer of eprom, and make a copy of the software.
On the 011, all the chips are welded definitly. You can't remove any chips without unwelding. So that's why perhaps i have always the good motronic.
No need to put an Alpina sticker on a welded chip.
The actual engine is from 1983 with a cylinder head from 1990, to be closed to Alpina head cylinder (late M30 Bmw cylinder head have bigger valves, almost like Alpina) Si i think they kept the motronic when changing the engine. My Friend with its B6 3.5, has a Bmw cylinder head on the Alpina motorblock, the motronic is still the original Alpina, and the car runs good like that.
So i will try what happens with my motronic.
I don't want to purchase a new unit either.
Many thanks for posting the pictures.
You have a more recent motronic as mine, the 061 is the one used on B6 3,5 261 HP (i have a friend who has got one).
I thought that Alpina B9 used only the 0 261 200 011 and not the 061.
But you show me that it is wrong.
The main difference between the 061 and the 011, is that the chip on the 061 is removable easily. Son you can take it out, put it on a reader/writer of eprom, and make a copy of the software.
On the 011, all the chips are welded definitly. You can't remove any chips without unwelding. So that's why perhaps i have always the good motronic.
No need to put an Alpina sticker on a welded chip.
The actual engine is from 1983 with a cylinder head from 1990, to be closed to Alpina head cylinder (late M30 Bmw cylinder head have bigger valves, almost like Alpina) Si i think they kept the motronic when changing the engine. My Friend with its B6 3.5, has a Bmw cylinder head on the Alpina motorblock, the motronic is still the original Alpina, and the car runs good like that.
So i will try what happens with my motronic.
I don't want to purchase a new unit either.
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Hi everyone ! :hihi:
As you might all be interested, i post the photos of the engine.
I'm actually waiting for the delivery.
You can see that it is in good condition, just normal for 23 years old and 159 000 miles. I will do an external new condition with painting and renewal of aluminium parts, and depending on what have been done recently, some mechanical renewal. Perhaps clutch, cooling system, valves springs settings, etc, and if necessary head gasket.
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Here you can see just a part of engine inscriptions. For Alpina this is not enough to say that it si a real B9 engine. Anybody can change the engine on an Alpina, put the seven digits of the bodywork and B9/1.
To know the 4 digits Alpina production number is quite a little bit harder :hihi:
Of course there isn't 5000 Alpina B9 engine produced, when i know that my B9 had the 4564 engine, the engine 4563 could be a B6 2,8 E30. It's done to avoid false numbering.
It would be good to had the numbers of engine in the register, for exemple the 4564 engine is blown. So nobody could build a 4564 new and fake B9 engine. But it would be a hard job.
By the way, an engine is associated to a head cylinder number, that is numbered the same way has the engine. So making fake Alpina numbers is pretty hard.
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As you might all be interested, i post the photos of the engine.
I'm actually waiting for the delivery.
You can see that it is in good condition, just normal for 23 years old and 159 000 miles. I will do an external new condition with painting and renewal of aluminium parts, and depending on what have been done recently, some mechanical renewal. Perhaps clutch, cooling system, valves springs settings, etc, and if necessary head gasket.
Here you can see just a part of engine inscriptions. For Alpina this is not enough to say that it si a real B9 engine. Anybody can change the engine on an Alpina, put the seven digits of the bodywork and B9/1.
To know the 4 digits Alpina production number is quite a little bit harder :hihi:
Of course there isn't 5000 Alpina B9 engine produced, when i know that my B9 had the 4564 engine, the engine 4563 could be a B6 2,8 E30. It's done to avoid false numbering.
It would be good to had the numbers of engine in the register, for exemple the 4564 engine is blown. So nobody could build a 4564 new and fake B9 engine. But it would be a hard job.
By the way, an engine is associated to a head cylinder number, that is numbered the same way has the engine. So making fake Alpina numbers is pretty hard.
B9projectcar, I have a few questions about your new motor. Does it have the ICV (Idle control valve)? Mine comes off the left side of the intake boot and goes towards the back of the motor. What is the red decal to the right or front of the valve cover? Mine has 2 seperate exhaust manifolds in place of the type on yours. Is this because yours came from a RH drive car? The Fuel Pressure regulator does not look like the stock BMW part; was this an ower added piece or an Alpina part?
I found an 011 Motronic on ebay (# 270032329689 ) and it looks like the type that had the replaceable chip. I thought the ones with the non removable chip were in a different case. I do not know for sure because we do not see many of these DME units here in the states.
Thanks,
Todd
I found an 011 Motronic on ebay (# 270032329689 ) and it looks like the type that had the replaceable chip. I thought the ones with the non removable chip were in a different case. I do not know for sure because we do not see many of these DME units here in the states.
Thanks,
Todd
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Hi todd !
I would be happy to answer your questions, but i havn't the engine, it's currently in delivery process.
All i can answer now, is that, i think that the exaust manifold is a special version for RHD cars too, and that the fuel pressure regulator is not from BMW. But, i saw some pictures of a B6 2,8 recently, and it has the same, so...
I will have a look for all your requests, when receiving the engine
I would be happy to answer your questions, but i havn't the engine, it's currently in delivery process.
All i can answer now, is that, i think that the exaust manifold is a special version for RHD cars too, and that the fuel pressure regulator is not from BMW. But, i saw some pictures of a B6 2,8 recently, and it has the same, so...
I will have a look for all your requests, when receiving the engine
hey b9, just read this thread for the first time, and spent an hour checking out your website... What an incredible job you've done!! I am currently running the same kind of project on a 1969 Triumph TR3A, and i can just tell how many frustrations and ENORMOUS satisfactions you've been through!
Anyway, there hasn't been update on your website since last may, are you tired keeping up to date? If so, that's too bad, 'cause i really enjoyed checking out your work on the car!!
anyway, hope it'll be on the road very soon, and you'll enjoy it!!
Mille BRAVOS :byee55amg :applause:
Charles
Anyway, there hasn't been update on your website since last may, are you tired keeping up to date? If so, that's too bad, 'cause i really enjoyed checking out your work on the car!!
anyway, hope it'll be on the road very soon, and you'll enjoy it!!
Mille BRAVOS :byee55amg :applause:
Charles
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Hi Charles, thanks for the comments.
my website is a copy of the thread i do on a french discussion board.
So i'm not tired to make the updates, i just simply forgot to do it, until somebody asks me about.
So i will do some update. There is no big changes, i have a new garage where to work, and i'm waiting for the new engine. That's why i didn't put the several new photos since may.
My engine will arrive in middle of next week.
my website is a copy of the thread i do on a french discussion board.
So i'm not tired to make the updates, i just simply forgot to do it, until somebody asks me about.
So i will do some update. There is no big changes, i have a new garage where to work, and i'm waiting for the new engine. That's why i didn't put the several new photos since may.
My engine will arrive in middle of next week.
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