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Does anyone have the 60-130 time for a stock E39 M5? I have seen some numbers floating around 14.3s, but that seems rather slow...
It's very tricky with a manual car... I was "messing around" one time and got only 12.7s. With better focus, I ran 11.6 recently, but my clutch needs to be replaced and I am sure my techniques need improvement as well. Also this is with 3/4 tank of gas, booster seat, etc. So, it's realistic is what I am saying. FWIW below are some 60-130 times for other cars.

NOTE: Only the below runs with an asterisk (*) next to them have been verified by 6speed representive. The accuracy of the other runs can not be guaranteed.

*3.40 - Bob Helms, TT Viper, Auto
*3.53 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo, 1,300 rwhp, 2-shifts
*3.93 - 931 rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
4.8 - 900 rwhp Supra (88GT47, TH400, no NOS, drag radials)
4.9 - 940 rwhp Supra (35 psi)
*5.1 - 780rwhp 240SX with Supra motor, 3-shifts (trapped 152 on this run)
5.1 - 840 rwhp Supra (30 psi)
*5.26 - 997 GT3 RS TURBO / 1-shift
5.4 - 1,000 rwhp TT Viper
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron
*5.72 - Subaru Impreza GC8, built motor, big turbo and 100 shot of nitrous
*5.8 - Ford GT, Whipple S/C, 780 rwhp, 1-shift
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.6 - Ford Cobra, Whipple S/C at 22 psi
6.9 - Mosler MT900S
7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
*7.06 - C6 Z06; intake, tune, headers, cam, no cats, 560 rwhp, 2-shifts
*7.24 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
*7.25 - Stock 997 GT2 / 1-shift
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.3 - Ferrari Enzo
*7.66 - 996 TT 'S' with K16/24 Hybrids, 4th gear pull only
*7.75 - Shelby GT500, Kenne Bell, 700+ rwhp, 1-shift
*7.8 - Lamborghini LP640, stock, 2-shifts
*7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
7.9 - RX7, turbocharged (GT35), 360+ rwhp -
9.1 - Porsche 993 RUF Turbo R (100 octane)
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.5 - Porsche 997TT
9.6 - Ferrari F50
*9.9 - Lamborghini Gallardo, stock, 2006, 6-MT, 2-shifts
*10.1 - Ferrari F430
10.3 - BMW M6, stock, 2-shifts
*10.4- E60 M5, stock, 2-shifts
*10.48 - C63 AMG with headers and flash
*10.93 - E63 AMG
10.9 - Nissan GT-R
10.9 - Lamborghini Murcielago
11.0 - Shelby GT500, stock, 2-shifts
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
11.81- HoustonT / Stock Lexus IS-F / Sequential
12.1 - Lamborghini Gallardo
12.9 - Stock E92 M3 Coupe
13.7 - IDZ21 / Stock E46 M3 (freak car) / 1 shift
14.3 - hiboostingm3 / Stock E39 M5 / 1 shift
 

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Mmhh

I am guessing the ESS cars are sub 10s.

Which means > F430.....I like !

How much is a VBOX ?
 

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Mmhh

I am guessing the ESS cars are sub 10s.

Which means > F430.....I like !

How much is a VBOX ?
I picked one up for a few hundred. I am surprised not many people use them (here) given we all drive an M car! There are dyno sheet numbers, or even the qualitative "butt dyno" ohh it pulls harder...I think a combination of hard concrete numbers (dyno) AND real world result are the most valid.

I think the car can get into 10s, not sure about sub 10, but stay tuned...

So until someone has some better numbers, I guess I have the fastest recorded 60-130 MPH E39 M5, lol.
 

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Its probably around 11
Yeah maybe actually.

Here is 80 to 140 in 4th. Seems to do 80 to 130 in about 8 seconds. Need to try it starting in 3rd.




Bring on the Vbox.
 

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Yeah maybe actually.

Here is 80 to 140 in 4th. Seems to do 80 to 130 in about 8 seconds. Need to try it starting in 3rd.




Bring on the Vbox.
I really want to see vs. an E60!!
Yeah - my tach shows 135 or something the GPS shows only 130, so it's off even though I have pretty new stock 275/35/18 PS2s.
The shift makes your lose time I am sure everyone knows that, but it also makes the car lose some of the momentum... thus a lot of DCT PDK perform a lot better. Not sure about the SMG on the E60.
 

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Update

I managed to get 11.27. See attached graph. My car recently dyno'ed 545bhp on 91 pump gas. Consider the following E92 M3 6spd with 530bhp and ran a 11.22 and it's a much lighter car... I think it's in the ballpark of a ESS E39 M5's limit.

YouTube - RS46 60-130 MPH: 11.22 Seconds with Video VBox

 

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Kev:

Thanks for data logging your ESS S/C E39 M5 and sharing with us! :cheers:

I have done a lot of vbox data logging on my CL65 (gone) and my current '09 CTS-V. Your results seem a tad slow for a car with 545hp. My modded CTS-V (automatic) runs an 8.41s 60-130mph and has dynoed 552rwhp. My CTS-V probably weighs a good 250lbs more (and I personally weigh 240+lbs... all muscle weight of course...:S). So it makes no sense that you are 2.8+s seconds behind. It does look like you are losing some time with a shift right above 100mph. But even if you carve out .5s for the shift, you are still 2+ seconds off my time. Did you check the slope of the run? Are you running on an incline? I guess there are some other factors that could contribute to the differences (i.e. ambient weather, elevation, heat soak...etc.). I hope you don't take my post as being "negative" about your car's performance....I just think their is a ton of potential and I want to see you fully realize it. I loved my old E39 M5 and the thought of buying another one and adding a S/C seems extremely enticing! :cheers:

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Hmmm...that seems like it might be a tad slow for your power level. My e55 dyno'd at 501whp and I have run an 8.1, and the mb is definitely not setup to be fast from a roll. I would think you would be around 10.
 

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I think Kevin's car is 545 Flywheel Horsepower.

Do run through 60 MPH or do you start from a cruise at 60 MPH ?

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I think Kevin's car is 545 Flywheel Horsepower.

Do run through 60 MPH or do you start from a cruise at 60 MPH ?

Cheers
My bad...you are right! I went back and found his dyno thread. He made around 470rwhp. That makes sense now. I think he can still improve upon his time and definitely get into the 10s 60-130mph.

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My bad...you are right! I went back and found his dyno thread. He made around 470rwhp. That makes sense now. I think he can still improve upon his time and definitely get into the 10s 60-130mph.

Tom
Right Tom, I made 464whp SAE on a Dynojet, factor in 15% loss I get 545bhp SAE. Which is exactly what ESS rate their kit at, 550 DIN and 542 SAE. There wasn't much of a slope at all, 2 meters difference over 500m+.

Kumaran - I rolled into 60, started around 45ish, and 1 shift only.

We shall see once I get a new clutch put in, current one is the original with over 100k miles! Though I think I am not too far off... The E60 M5 person which ran 10.4s is an SMG IIRC. I have also see 1 or two E60 running 11.4 or higher. However, I don't know how an Dinan stroker M6 6spd with 621bhp rating get into 8s.....
 

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Right Tom, I made 464whp SAE on a Dynojet, factor in 15% loss I get 545bhp SAE. Which is exactly what ESS rate their kit at, 550 DIN and 542 SAE. There wasn't much of a slope at all, 2 meters difference over 500m+.

Kumaran - I rolled into 60, started around 45ish, and 1 shift only.

We shall see once I get a new clutch put in, current one is the original with over 100k miles! Though I think I am not too far off... The E60 M5 person which ran 10.4s is an SMG IIRC. I have also see 1 or two E60 running 11.4 or higher. However, I don't know how an Dinan stroker M6 6spd with 621bhp rating get into 8s.....
Kev,
Sorry I didn't get back to you...WAY busy on my Birthday weekend with the family. I need to grab your vbox and log some more data points with mine for comparo
 

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Something Interesting

So here is an modded M6 SMG which ran 9.62. What's interesting is the BIG advantage SMG, DCT, and etc. over manual (I could just be a sh*tty driver as well). Comparing my car to this car, we are about even up to 100+ MPH, then I had to shift into 4th and just lost all the momentum and time where as the M6 just kept on pulling! I say after shifting, my M5 did not regain its full acceleration till maybe 120-130MPH, were it is the same again as the M6 exactly at 2.0 seconds.

Still need to do my clutch..




 

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Interesting stuff! Barring rain, I'll be at the track Friday making a few 1/4 mile passes with my Beast and would love to attempt a legal 60-130. I just recently bargained a 101 in a 55 ticket down to 74 in a 55, so doing this on public roads isn't in the cards for me anytime soon.

Problem is, I don't believe a SC'd E39 is fast enough to do this safely on a 1/4 miles track as I will come close to running out of room after the traps and my Brembos will be of no use sitting on a shelf in the garage. Charlie, your HPF M3 traps over 130 so you are fine there. Even your E55 should trap considerably higher than mine. I hope to trap somewhere in the teens (hopefully 115+), but 130 is a loooong way past the traps and I'm not sure yet if I have the cajonas for that. But, if at all possible I will try.

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Interesting stuff! Barring rain, I'll be at the track Friday making a few 1/4 mile passes with my Beast and would love to attempt a legal 60-130. I just recently bargained a 101 in a 55 ticket down to 74 in a 55, so doing this on public roads isn't in the cards for me anytime soon.

Problem is, I don't believe a SC'd E39 is fast enough to do this safely on a 1/4 miles track as I will come close to running out of room after the traps and my Brembos will be of no use sitting on a shelf in the garage. Charlie, your HPF M3 traps over 130 so you are fine there. Even your E55 should trap considerably higher than mine. I hope to trap somewhere in the teens (hopefully 115+), but 130 is a loooong way past the traps and I'm not sure yet if I have the cajonas for that. But, if at all possible I will try.

Adam

I believe we met at MIR when I was running my CL65. MIR should have plenty of room for you to get a 60-130mph time if you are running anywhere close to the OP. The OP needed 489.84m (1,607.08'). Say it takes you 300' to hit 60mph (if you hit 60 in under 4.5s, it should take under 250') and 1,700' to do the 60-130mph for a total of 2,000'. MIR has 3,022' of run off area after the 1/4 mile mark. So that would afford you nearly 2,400' to stop. I got my CL65 up past 150mph before shutting down with plenty of area to stop.

http://www.mirdrag.com/v2/facts/

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Added E55 AMG Stock 470hp/510tq one.



*3.40 - Bob Helms, TT Viper, Auto
*3.53 - Underground Racing TT Gallardo, 1,300 rwhp, 2-shifts
*3.93 - 931 rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
4.8 - 900 rwhp Supra (88GT47, TH400, no NOS, drag radials)
4.9 - 940 rwhp Supra (35 psi)
*5.1 - 780rwhp 240SX with Supra motor, 3-shifts (trapped 152 on this run)
5.1 - 840 rwhp Supra (30 psi)
*5.26 - 997 GT3 RS TURBO / 1-shift
5.4 - 1,000 rwhp TT Viper
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron
*5.72 - Subaru Impreza GC8, built motor, big turbo and 100 shot of nitrous
*5.8 - Ford GT, Whipple S/C, 780 rwhp, 1-shift
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.6 - Ford Cobra, Whipple S/C at 22 psi
6.9 - Mosler MT900S
7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
*7.06 - C6 Z06; intake, tune, headers, cam, no cats, 560 rwhp, 2-shifts
*7.24 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
*7.25 - Stock 997 GT2 / 1-shift
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.3 - Ferrari Enzo
*7.66 - 996 TT 'S' with K16/24 Hybrids, 4th gear pull only
*7.75 - Shelby GT500, Kenne Bell, 700+ rwhp, 1-shift
*7.8 - Lamborghini LP640, stock, 2-shifts
*7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06, stock, 2-shifts
7.8 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
7.9 - RX7, turbocharged (GT35), 360+ rwhp -
9.1 - Porsche 993 RUF Turbo R (100 octane)
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.5 - Porsche 997TT
9.6 - Ferrari F50
*9.9 - Lamborghini Gallardo, stock, 2006, 6-MT, 2-shifts
*10.1 - Ferrari F430
10.3 - BMW M6, stock, 2-shifts
*10.4- E60 M5, stock, 2-shifts
*10.48 - C63 AMG with headers and flash
*10.93 - E63 AMG
10.9 - E39 M5 ESS SC VT550 91AKI 96mm pulley
10.9 - Nissan GT-R
10.9 - Lamborghini Murcielago
11.0 - Shelby GT500, stock, 2-shifts
11.4 - Stock E55 AMG
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
11.81- HoustonT / Stock Lexus IS-F / Sequential
12.1 - Lamborghini Gallardo
12.9 - Stock E92 M3 Coupe
13.7 - IDZ21 / Stock E46 M3 (freak car) / 1 shift
14.3 - hiboostingm3 / Stock E39 M5 / 1 shift<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
 
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