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10 cylinders misfiring at startup then limp mode, turn car off and on then they disappear

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#1 ·
2007 M5 - start the car for the first time of the day, runs okay for 5 seconds, then limp mode and misfire. Turn vehicle off, turn back on, limp mode gone and no misfires.
Reading with code reader tells a story of ten misfires or sometimes nine misfires plus a random misfire code. If I clear this code and drive after that initial cold start I won't see it again but sometimes the car will randomly misfire for a couple seconds while driving, just long enough to set it back to limp, I pull over, turn car off, turn back on and I can continue driving for 150 miles or so before it even thinks of doing this again.

Car has new upstream o2 sensors, new plugs, new coils, new injectors on bank 1 (Driver side of car, someone correct me if this isn't bank 1), new fuel pump, new fuel filter assembly, and also new rod bearings. I have also cleaned MAF

After doing rod bearings I did the vanos bleeding procedure in ista. Ista showed I have some vanos values that are lower than normal range.

I am tempted to change out MAFs next but want to see if anybody has any ideas. Could this be the VANOS solenoids? It seems strange that all ten cylinders would briefly misfire, I am planning on changing out injectors on bank 2 but surely I would see misfires correlating to bank 2 rather than both banks.

Also is there a way I could confirm fuel pressure at the rail to rule out an initial fueling problem? I can't find a schrader valve on the rail.
 
#7 ·
Can ista show live fuel pressure data?

It is intermittent but something happened to me yesterday that tells me I might actually have a fuel pressure issue. Car would start back up very very low rpm like it was sipping on drops of fuel then after a couple minutes of rough driving and limp mode the vehicle just randomly came back to life and started idling at a normal rpm.
 
#5 ·
Do a VANOS solenoid test as well as pressure as mentioned. I found the solenoids have a disproportionate amount of impact on cold start as there's a lot of precise cam timing changes happening rapidly to try and warm the cats.

VANOS is very important on these engines to behave well.
 
#9 ·
Vanos, check the pressure. My pump looked perfect too but when the oil was hot I had 0 pressure. There are O-rings in the pump and a relief valve you can adjust. I took 1/2 turn on the valve and went from 50bar to 100bar cold.

All sorts of strange things happen when the cams are out of position. I just drilled and tapped the banjo bolt with 1/8"npt and installed a gauge.