M5 vs. CL55 - Page 6 - The Unofficial BMW M5 Messageboard (m5board.com)

digger · 23rd November 2004, 09:17

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Originally Posted by Improviz_CLK55

(click here for details); oh, and this one is where he said he'd done it three times.

So, this makes four times where he's miraculously beaten cars which pull in the mid 12's stock, and I don't find this credible. Particularly the Porsche, which is AWD and thus not prone to traction issues, but the Benz is an auto, so once it's hooked up driver error is not a factor!

The porsche may have had a poor driver and could have bogged down or not shifted at the redline! Not everyone knows how to extract the best from a car, but if driven properly the 55 and turbo are definately quicker cars.

cheers

apk1013 · 23rd November 2004, 13:52

I'm done talking, you must have a lot of free time!!!

If your "friends" want to do this just let us know!!

apk1013 · 23rd November 2004, 15:33

Case in point.

You must have a lot of friends.

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I have no friends, you seem to be the one having trouble finding friends.

I will have thirty cars ready to play if that's what you want!!!

apk1013 · 23rd November 2004, 15:35

I saw a few Kompressor AMG's on the road today, but they were being driven by 70-year old ladies. I wonder if they are going to "represent" for you.

Tomaso · 23rd November 2004, 16:19

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Originally Posted by digger

The porsche may have had a poor driver and could have bogged down or not shifted at the redline! Not everyone knows how to extract the best from a car, but if driven properly the 55 and turbo are definately quicker cars.

cheers

Very good point, digger!

The CL55 will eat his M5 alive in a straight line. All the AMG driver has to do is floor it, as simple as that. Those kompressors are very fast!

You both should just enjoy your cars and forget the "mine is better than yours" thing...

Improviz_CLK55 · 23rd November 2004, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Tomaso

The CL55 will eat his M5 alive in a straight line. All the AMG driver has to do is floor it, as simple as that. Those kompressors are very fast!

...which is exactly why I say he's full of it, especially when you couple this with his claiming to be 3/3 against a 996 Turbo. I'm sure he'll be posting about beating Vipers next week, lol.

apk1013 · 23rd November 2004, 16:53

I got a very good launch on the CL55. Maybe the guy left his traction on. I have no idea. He had 20's as well. All of these things can change the outcome of this race. The cars are much closer than you want to think. The guy in the turbo told me that he had to shift before me in each gear, which allowed me to pull early. The fact of the matter is that he smoked me when his turbos kicked in up top.

Erik · 23rd November 2004, 17:50

Hi guys....

This thread is starting to look like something I would expect in many other forums, but not here, unless in the gumball section.....

What are we really discussing here.

We all know the CL55, E55, SL55 and the rest of the Kompressor monsters will eat any M5 for breakfast any thing equall. Thats a fact, even we like it or not.
Same thing with the 996 Turbo.

We will just wait until the new M5 hit the streets to put things right again....

When I had my Bi Turbo I was walked so bad it was not fun by a SL55, and the BiTurbo is in the M5 area when it comes to straigh line performance.A race with the 996 Turbo also showd that the Bi Turbo could give it a fair fight in speed from app 110 mph and up thrue app 135 mph, at least when I was in his shadow...

BUT. All this cars are so fast and build mph so fast that even a small mistake in the start is gonna be tough to make up for.

Race against the Turbo Porsche.
I can belive that. The Porshce is a Turbo and even though the Torbo lag is more or less gone it still takes a bit of time until it spools up to full pressure.
If both of this cars are side by side at app 20 mph and hit it simultanously my guess is that the instant power of the M5 will bring it ahead for a short periode. The sprint from 20 mph and into 3 gear takes what.... less than 4 sec, not much time to make up for a loss of a few meters in the start of the race
I did not see if this particular Porsche was a sluch box or a stick, but the Slush box will probably use a little longer to chach up with the M5.
But it is not question who will winn. The Porsche is just faster.
From a dead stop it would look funny if the Porsche was started at full power

The race against the CL55 does sound a bit strange. Any of the 55 kompressor powered AMG will take out the M5, some more than others.

I seriously doubt that an M5 will gain much in practical performance with just a exhoust and some electrinal modification, even if many claim "phantasy" numbers.
But some are faster than other and several have made mid to high 12 sec run, nut most if the time they are 13 sec cars. I also have a mid 12 sec stock M3 on video, but this are also related to extremply skilled drivers.

So is this story belivable ? I have no problems beliving that an M5 can outrun the CL55 in the start and stay ahead for a while, but I think it is strange that the CL55 started to catch up and then stayed side by side all the way.

But then again, on the streets a lot of things can happend and it is very seldom the result is comparable it normaly says more about the driving skills, headstart and other driver related actions.

So what, we all know the M5 is not the faster car of the cars meantioned in this thread, but as I have stated before in another thread, I much rather win because of my driving skills than because I have the faster car.

So please cool down, take both cars to the track and make a bet instead of writing all this nonsens...........

Gustav · 23rd November 2004, 18:07

Very well put Erik. Something like that I was about to compose earlier

Everybody behave please

Improviz_CLK55 · 23rd November 2004, 18:32

...it was not the fact that the M5 got a lead from the start, but the part that the CL55 couldn't pass him, that I found beyond belief. Some time back on the MBWorld E55 forum, a guy with a W210 E55 posted a video of him racing a W211 E55 at the strip. The scenario was exactly the same as this one: he got a much better launch and was two-three cars out in front at the start, but the E55 caught him and blew by in a matter of seconds, and was well ahead by the conclusion of the race...and the guy in the W210 knows how to drive; he's pulled a 13.1 in that thing. This particular race ended up with a 12.4 for the new E55, and a 13.4 for the old.

And if you read his original account of the race again, he did not describe a huge lead from the start; he said that he jumped out to a 1.5 carlength lead on the CL55--and held it off to over 100 mph!! This is simply beyond the realm of possibility, unless the CL55 was a non-supercharged CL55, rebadged. There is no way that a supercharged CL55 could not overcome a 1.5 carlength lead over a 1/4 mile distance.

That's where I take issue...of course if you get a good launch you can pull him for a *while*, but I simply don't believe his claim that that he was running neck and neck once the CL55 caught up....those cars only weigh 200 pounds more than the M5, and bone stock they are dynoing 430+ at the wheels, meaning actual stock horsepower is more like 520+ than the rated 493. Races from a launch are one thing, but it is simply not possible for one car with over 100 less horsepower to hold one off in a high-speed race as it was described here. Physics does work, after all!!