Um, hate to break this to you, but Motor Trend is a bit more reliable than what you're claiming, dude. Look at the other test numbers in that comparison photo...they are exactly in line with what others have run in those cars, so there is no reason to suspect the numbers for the CL55...particularly when you consider that the SL55 has been tested at these same times in other magazines, and that the numbers I provided from trackchallenge.com (which are from the renowned German auto mag Auto Moter und Sport) also back up the acceleration numbers. And dit you bother to watch/read the post at the top of this forum from Gustav, the administrator of the board, which is an M5 vs. an SL55?
Are you sure that member Elevens didn't do his run downhill, in 50 degree weather, with no humidity, with a 50 mile an hour wind at the back? He did have his fronts pumped waaay up on that run, which will pick up time, as opposed to the car mags, which run them at stock pressure. With drag radials, bone stock E55's have hit the 11's.
But since you're so certain you could trash one of the supercharged AMGs, would you care to set up a little wager? Are you near a drag strip? I'm sure we could line someone up in FLA to run against you...want to put some money where your mouth is, or just talk smack here? Let me know, I'll pass the word on the MB forum. I'd love to see video of a lightly modded M5 getting anywhere near a CL55 in the 1/4.
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Member Elevens ran a 12.6 with basically my mods but he had the pulley's done. Those quarter numbers you found are very generous. Are u sure they weren't done downhill, in 50 degree weather, with no humidity, with a 50 mile an hour wind at the back?
Gustav, I am behaving. Is questioning doubful claims allowed?
I mean, this is ridiculous. The mags tested stock 330cis about a 14.1, about 0.6-0.8 behind a stock M5, and the M5 traps about 8 mph faster. A stock CL55 bests the M5 by more like 0.7-0.9, and traps a full 8-9 mph faster.
Would you, or anyone else, put any credence in the claim that a 330ci with a chip and exhaust pulled an M5 from 0-110? It's ridiculous. Even if the 330 got the greatest launch ever known to man, once the M5 hooked up, that would be it. Finis. Done. Todt.
And you can vouch for the SL55's performance against the M5; or better still, you could fix the video link so that he could see it himself.
My being Mercedes owner has nothing to do with it; I am also a BMW owner. An M5 with his mods would not pace a supercharged AMG CL55 from 0-110, unless the CL had very serious mechanical issues.
You've seen M5's (and Turbo Porsches) run against these supercharged AMGs. Can you seriously say that you find this story credible?
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Improviz, please behave Even though you dont beleive it you can be polite. Since you are a Mercedes owner I can understand why you are not beleiving the story
Um, hate to break this to you, but Motor Trend is a bit more reliable than what you're claiming, dude. Look at the other test numbers in that comparison photo...they are exactly in line with what others have run in those cars, so there is no reason to suspect the numbers for the CL55...particularly when you consider that the SL55 has been tested at these same times in other magazines, and that the numbers I provided from trackchallenge.com (which are from the renowned German auto mag Auto Moter und Sport) also back up the acceleration numbers. And dit you bother to watch/read the post at the top of this forum from Gustav, the administrator of the board, which is an M5 vs. an SL55?
Are you sure that member Elevens didn't do his run downhill, in 50 degree weather, with no humidity, with a 50 mile an hour wind at the back? He did have his fronts pumped waaay up on that run, which will pick up time, as opposed to the car mags, which run them at stock pressure. With drag radials, bone stock E55's have hit the 11's.
But since you're so certain you could trash one of the supercharged AMGs, would you care to set up a little wager? Are you near a drag strip? I'm sure we could line someone up in FLA to run against you...want to put some money where your mouth is, or just talk smack here? Let me know, I'll pass the word on the MB forum. I'd love to see video of a lightly modded M5 getting anywhere near a CL55 in the 1/4.
If you need me to re-tell the story for you, I can do that one more time. I was at the light with the guy and we were complementing each other on the cars. He had twenty's on the car. The light turned green and we when. I got one of the best launches of my life while I heard his tires chirp and spin. I don't know if he left his traction on or what the heck happened. I pulled off down low then hit second. My tires were bad, so I spun pretty bad, and he started coming back. He came back through thired until he was on my back door. He stayed there and could not gain any more and we both backed off since it was the middle of the day on a road with many cops and shopping malls. He asked me what I had done because because of all of the horsepower that he had and we said buy and each went our own way. Whatever else it is that you want from me, I don't know. Maybe I won because of my driving skills, this is not my fault, is it??
Re: Sure, dude...and I'm sure that next week, it'll be Vipers, lol.
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Improviz, please behave Even though you dont beleive it you can be polite. Since you are a Mercedes owner I can understand why you are not beleiving the story
In anycase, dont expect that everyone is lying
Gustav,
Thanks for your concern, but its not a big deal at all. I find this pretty funny myself.
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Andrew
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Re: Gustav, I am behaving. Is questioning doubful claims allowed?
I agree. But as above, anything can happen on the street. I was outrun by a Volvo S70 T5 once, but that was for handling and not straigh line. Also he was nuts and I was not as nuts
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And you can vouch for the SL55's performance against the M5; or better still, you could fix the video link so that he could see it himself.
You'd lose. But I'm specifically interested to see if....
...you'd be up for putting some cash on your claim. Is there a dragstrip nearby you you'd care to do some friendly runs against a supercharged CL55, SL55, or E55?
Do tell, because I've already posted an invite on the MB forum. Let's see you back it up, because I don't believe it.
Oh, and just for good measure, would you also care to extend the invitation to the Turbo Porsche forums as well? This should be good for a laugh.
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All I know is that I'll race your Supercharged CLK55 for money anyday of the week with my big four door!!!
I can't believe you even mentioned the M5 in the same sentence as a 330CI. This shows how little you know about anything. If you can't believe that when two fast cars race off a light, the one that is a few tenths of a second faster won't always win, I once again do not know what to tell you. The one that gets the better launch will usually win. The most expensive one does not always win. With the Turbo, I never said I won. I kept up with him to 100 and then he walked away. I guess you can keep rambling on your ******ed nonsense , but once again I would love to race your Benz so you can begin to respect the Beast.
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Re: You'd lose. But I'm specifically interested to see if....
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...you'd be up for putting some cash on your claim. Is there a dragstrip nearby you you'd care to do some friendly runs against a supercharged CL55, SL55, or E55?
Do tell, because I've already posted an invite on the MB forum. Let's see you back it up, because I don't believe it.
Oh, and just for good measure, would you also care to extend the invitation to the Turbo Porsche forums as well? This should be good for a laugh.
I just saw your post on the MB Forum. I love how you lie about me claiming to have beaten the turbo. I would love to race one of these guys anytime (CL55 since that is the one I am "lying" about). My boys will also want to get in on the action with their Bimmers. Just let me know when we can get this done!!!
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I can't believe you even mentioned the M5 in the same sentence as a 330CI.
And I can't believe you claimed that an M5 beat a car which has tested a full second faster in the 1/4 mile.
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This shows how little you know about anything.
Actually, it shows that you cannot, apparently, understand good ol' fashioned, plain English: I was using what is called an "example" to explain my point with what is called "logic".
"Logic", you see, is a system of reasoning. My point was this:
Now, one doesn't need to have a degree in mathematics to see a pattern here, but it was obviously lost on you, so let me explain: the difference between the M5 and CL55 is 1.0 seconds. The difference between the 330ci and the M5 is 0.8 seconds.
So, you see, given that the difference between cars 1) and 2) is pretty much the same as cars 2) and 3), what *I'm* saying is that if your claim is plausible, then it is equally plausible for a 330i to hold the M5 off from a dead stop to 110 mph, particularly since the amount of time separating the M5 frm the 330i (again, 0.8 seconds) is less than the amount of time separating the CL55 and the M5 (again, 1.0 seconds)!!
My response, in both cases: yeah, right.
As to how the supercharged Benzes hold up against M5's: well, let's have a look, from the same article above wherein the M5 was tested:
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And even though the M5 began to gain on the Audi when speeds crept above 130 mph, it couldn’t touch the Benz. Just as in the old “Hot Rod Lincoln” rockabilly tune, “by then the taillight was all you could see.”
This is the test of the E55, which has the same motor as the CL55 you're claiming to have hung with from 0-110 mph, from the same article:
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Propelled by the same supercharged 5.4-liter SOHC 24-valve V-8 employed in the SL55 AMG, albeit with a little less horsepower, it’s even faster than the SL55 we tested last November, clocking 0 to 60 in 4.3 seconds, 0 to 100 in 9.9, 0 to 150 in 24.5, and the quarter in 12.5 seconds at 116 mph. That’s quicker than anything else in this roundup—quicker, in fact, than any production sedan we’ve ever tested. Sports-car quick. The last Corvette Z06 we tested (December 2001) hit 60 mph in 4.0 seconds, 100 in 9.2, and 150 in 24.1, and it covered the quarter in 12.4 seconds at 116 mph.
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If you can't believe that when two fast cars race off a light, the one that is a few tenths of a second faster won't always win, I once again do not know what to tell you.
In a short race, say 0-60, between two cars tested two tenths apart, yes. In a long race, say 0-110, between two cars tested one full second apart, no. Once the faster car hooks up, it will reel the slower car in like a fish. This is not hypothesis, it is from races dating back to 1980, when I first started driving (and drag racing).
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The one that gets the better launch will usually win. The most expensive one does not always win. With the Turbo, I never said I won. I kept up with him to 100 and then he walked away.
Yes, you kept up with an AWD car which has no traction issues and has 8 pounds/horsepower, in a RWD car which can have traction issues and has 10 pounds/horsepower, all the way up to 100, three times. Lol... whatever, dude...you're dreaming.
But again: I've asked you twice now: why not set something up at your local dragstrip and demonstrate how you can hang with 996 TT's and CL55 AMGs?? Why is it that you keep avoiding this question?
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I guess you can keep rambling on your ******ed nonsense but once again I would love to race your Benz who you can begin to respect the Beast.
I do respect M5's. I have raced M5's, many times. Haven't lost to any of them. Guess their drivers weren't as good as you.
Gustav, I am behaving. Is questioning doubful claims allowed?
Even though you dont beleive it you can be polite. Since you are a Mercedes owner I can understand why you are not beleiving the story 
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I agree. But as above, anything can happen on the street. I was outrun by a Volvo S70 T5 once, but that was for handling and not straigh line. Also he was nuts and I was not as nuts 
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, but once again I would love to race your Benz so you can begin to respect the Beast.
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