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        Poll: Do you believe that BMW/Mini should offer Rear Fog Lights as an option to US consumer
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        Do you believe that BMW/Mini should offer Rear Fog Lights as an option to US consumer

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        Old 11th November 2002, 21:12   #1 (permalink)
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        Guys - As some of you may know I went to great lengths to install rear fog lights on my M5 as one of my first mods to make driving in inclement conditions much safer. Now I have a Mini and the need has increased since this vehicle is much smaller but so has the difficulty. Mini along with BMW has made the rear fog lights now fall under the control of the BCM (in BMW's) and BC1 (in Mini's). That means, even if you run all the wires and hook up the correct switches, you will need a code from BMW/Mini to activate the switch controlling the rear fogs. BMW/Mini is now refusing to give this code to US owners. Their first line excuse is that rear fogs are illegal in the US. When confronted that their information is wrong, they respond that BMW/Mini refuses to offer the codes to US customers since they feel they should not have them.
        Anybody seen the news in the last 3 months on thenumber of traffics accidents and deaths attributed to low visibility in fog? This response is a slap in the face to US owners.
        If you feel as I do that this feature should be offered to US consumers of the Mini please sign the following petition, Mini Petition for Rear Fog Lights. You will do a great service for your fellow enthusiasts and possibly get BMW/Mini to stop their outlandish claims and provide their customers with needed safety equipment.
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        Old 11th November 2002, 21:35   #2 (permalink)
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        Old 12th November 2002, 00:35   #3 (permalink)
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        Old 12th November 2002, 00:41   #4 (permalink)
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        WEll heck YA!!! Dude... I would like that option if I get my MINI... didnt u see the 200+ car crash thread here in Long Beach CA a week ago??

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        Mark did u post that on the MINI2 forum??
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        Old 12th November 2002, 00:46   #5 (permalink)
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        Old 12th November 2002, 00:53   #6 (permalink)
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        It's on all the Mini boards I could find plus my local board.
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        Old 12th November 2002, 01:27   #7 (permalink)
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        Jaquar has that option (dual rears too) for their NA bound cars so I don't see why BMW/MINI is not allowing it on theirs. Signed.

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        Old 12th November 2002, 02:04   #8 (permalink)
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        I also sent this message to the MINI Owners Lounge:
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        I would like to add my voice to the growing concern from MINI owners about the stance that MINI-USA has taken regarding rear fog lamps. I live in California’s central valley and we are about to enter this year’s fog season. I would very much like to have the option of turning on a rear fog lamp to reduce the likelihood of being rear-ended. I've read all the discussions on the Internet about MINI-USA’s position on the matter and I, frankly I find your position appalling. Why do you insist upon denying a proven safety feature THAT IS ALREADY INSTALLED on my car? Please reconsider your position and provide the codes necessary to enable the rear fog lamp.
        If you want to read a quick summary of this issue, go to: http://photon.lawngnome.org/mini/rearfoglamps/
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        Old 12th November 2002, 04:26   #9 (permalink)
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        Old 13th November 2002, 05:52   #10 (permalink)
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        Old 15th November 2002, 21:32   #11 (permalink)
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