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Old 12th August 2002, 16:12   #1
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Open Letter To The French People

OPEN LETTER TO THE FRENCH PEOPLE
from Senator Joseph Lieberman

TO THE PEOPLE OF FRANCE - IN REMEMBRANCE

Liberty, equality, fraternity! Does the French nation recall that
slogan?

The current French tolerance of and indifference to the wave of attacks upon French Jews speaks clearly of the decline of the French national
character.

The French have forgotten! Two hundred and some odd years ago the suffering French populace erupted in revolution against tyranny. They cried for and fought for liberty, fraternity, equality for all in every aspect of French society.

The French have forgotten! But I remember! I still have in my mind the heartbreaking image of the Parisian gentleman from whose eyes the tears fell copiously as he watched the Nazi troops marching triumphantly into Paris. The face of that Frenchman still lives in my mind sixty years later. It is the same as the faces of so many French Jews today.

The French have forgotten! But I remember! I remember the ecstasy, the flowers, the kisses with which the French people greeted their American and British liberators from Nazi terror.

The French have forgotten! They have forgotten the dehumanizing result of terror upon themselves. They have forgotten the shame of Vichy France. Those who watch with indifference the attacks upon their neighbors sink into degeneracy themselves. The French have forgotten
brotherhood and love of others than themselves. They have forgotten equal justice. They have forgotten that a nation without strength of morality and character is a nation already in the lower depths of degradation.

So, just as the Swiss were part of the Nazi problem sixty years ago, the French are part of the problem of world terrorism today. As the French casually watch their Jewish citizens attacked let them remember how they, the French, acquiesced in cowardice at the rape of Czechoslovakia by the Nazis in 1938 only to suffer under the Nazi heel so soon after.
My contempt for present day France is accompanied by great regret. We gave the lives of American boys to save them once. They have forgotten.
However, we Americans have not forgotten. All Americans with integrity of character must boycott France. I hope large numbers of you will join me in this.
If this e-mail is forwarded by just 1/2 of all recipients it could
reach 10,000,000 Americans in a matter of days. Let's make the French
remember!

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Old 12th August 2002, 17:43   #2
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Is this really from the Senator?
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Old 12th August 2002, 18:03   #3
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I have no reason to believe it is not.
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Old 12th August 2002, 18:25   #4
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Assuming Rave M5's post is true...

Let me first qualify my comments by stating that my wife is French and I have lived in France.

These gross generalizations of the French are offensive, biased, inflammatory, and beneath the character and diginity of a U.S. Senator. Shame on you Senator Lieberman!

The problem in France is one that has arisen by the French's willingness to right a wrong they have committed- allow me to explain. It is no secret Northern Africa, once a French colony, was plundered by the hands of the French Foreign Legion. Thousands of North Africans were killed, used, and abused.

The end of French colonialism in Northern Africa began with the rise of Charles de Gaulle as President and the forming of the Fifth Republic. De Gaulle, acknowledging France's wrongs, began a policy of economic interdependence between France and northern Africa to promote growth.

In addition, a policy was passed by the French government giving North Africans- specifically Algerians- instant French citizenship with all the social benefits afforded to the French people. Algeria being a third world country and France's open door policy for Algerians to obtain French citizenship precipitated, over time, a large immigration problem for France. Most, not all, Algerians that immigrate to France abuse of all the social welfare programs- they get free housing, medical care, and money to provide food and clothing for their families. With all of that, which is much more than they receive in their homeland, there is no incentive to work.

So, there are thousands of Algerians living in France sitting idly and resenting people who have nice things and live in nice areas. Add to that their opposition to the Jewish people, the fact these immigrants do nothing all day, and the open access to the west via France and it is no wonder problems arise.

It is because of the growing rate of crime and abuse of social services in France, that in the recent French Presidential primaries a man like Le Pen came in second place. BUT mind you, it was a protest vote placing focus on said immigration issues.

So when you read or hear about ant-semetic activities in France, you can BET it is at the hands of Algerian immigrants carrying French passaports and NOT by the French. That is not to say there are not any antisemites in France, but you don't have to look very far in the US either.


Lastly let us not forget that it was the French that supplied, assisted, and sacrificed their sons during OUR revolutionary war that led to OUR independence from England. Yes, it is in part THANKS TO FRANCE that the United States of America is an independent nation and because the United States exists, so does Israel.

I hope this post helps Senator Lieberman REMEMBER that.

Sincerely and peace to all,

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And this guy was close to be a vice president of the USA?

I suggest he would get on a Air France Concorde to Paris and spend some time. After that he would have changed his opinion. Does he really have a passport?

Very narrow-minded.

I think the crimes against Jews in France are made up mostly of Arab origin immigrants, and that problem is because of the Middle East, not France. And I'm sure the Frensch police is doing it's best top protect Jewish interests. Why wouldn't they? Is he insinuating that France is a anti semtic nation?

"French are part of the problem of world terrorism today. As the French casually watch their Jewish citizens attacked let them remember how they, the French, acquiesced in cowardice at the rape of Czechoslovakia by the Nazis in 1938 only to suffer under the Nazi heel so soon after. "

That quote is just so distasteful and just shows how little knowledge he have about modern Europe equalling one of the largets EU countries to nazism.
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Well, I've never had any respect for Lieberman, but I doubt that even HE is moronic enough to write this crap.

And rather than causing blame, I think he should re-evaluate the reasons of the anti Semitism as well as the position of the US in its global affairs.

Frankly, it looks like spam.

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It is a good thing we're not Pugeot- Enthusiasts.

When people are attacked because of their origin is just plain wrong, but Im not boycotting France because some attacks happen there. Ive been to France and I felt no hostility towards me because of my religious background nor because I am American and, since I dont know French, definately stuck out when I spoke. As a matter of fact, they were very friendly and kind. And that was in Paris where I was told that people would be rude. Doesn't that sound like a stereotype of some places in America, like NY? Whats funny is, most New Yorkers are more than willing to help out people if they are lost or need help. But theres that stereotype.

So unfortunately these kinds of attacks go on here and else where too. What we need to do is see how the society at large handles this. The one slightly disturbing thing about France was the last election, and I dont remember the guy's name, but it was only surprising because he did better than anyone thought. He still didnt even come close to getting a majority.
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Good point, I never thought of that. I do feel that the French are bad allies.

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....I do feel that the French are bad allies.
Why? Because they have a difference of opinion or their policies don't always fall in line with the US? Ridiculous. Of course you are entitled to your own opinion and because your opinion does not concur with mine, I do not think of you as a "bad" board member...

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...The one slightly disturbing thing about France was the last election, and I dont remember the guy's name, but it was only surprising because he did better than anyone thought. He still didnt even come close to getting a majority.
ME,

Thanks for sharing your experience in France. To address the quote I've pulled from your post, you're right it is disturbing that a self proclaimed anti-semite like Le Pen came in second place but it was more of a protest vote in response to the growing immigration issues in France (see my long post above).

In any case Chirac won- with 85% of the vote!- and Le Pen was vilified.

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