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Why would you immediately devalue your investment?
I've been a member on this forum for a number of years and also a proud owner of M/// cars for many years.
Something, which concerns me greatly, is the need for a number of members to 'modify' their brand new cars............... why would you do that? why would you buy a car at £80k, and replace parts which, and lets be honest, the cars won't be (you can get your mods now, why is that?) delivered to you untill the end of this year (yes, that's right....... lets modify a car I haven't even got yet??) , and the 'mod' will make little or no recognisable differences (apart from your bank balance). In reality, I constanly see these people at the BMW dealerships 'begging' for forgivness, as their expensive repair bills, due to mis-matched components, are presented and deemed, rightly so, 'not covered by warranty'?
With that in mind, and I recall an acient proverb 'a fool and his money are easily parted'.............Why, why, why on earth would you trust a third party organisation 'bent' on making money out of your percieved weakness and insecurities
I know, for sure, that BMW have taken a lot of time and effort and significant investment to make these M5 cars balanced; IIRC they spent as much on the development of the e34 s38 engine as they did on the exhaust system? Why would you change it.........
This BMW build/design ethos is not lost on pretty much eveything BMW dose regardless of any engine dating back to their orgins in performance aero engines (no room for error, right?).
The other aspect of this is that you are 'viewed' as a complete 'nkob' in the UK.
Don't get me wrong, I love a fast car, but this is a car originally built/developed and leads the global market as the benchmark of Q cars, the orginal 'wolf in sheeps clothing'.
Do you know how boring it is to log on to this message board to hear fellow members arguing the toss on how this car sounds from the inside/ouside and how you wouldn't buy one because of this, along with how any number of cars are faster by a thousandth of a second over 400yds (or not?).
Chaps, get real, unless you have a proper technical query or opinion, then please do not waste our time on your personal opinions............. on how you are going to swap out your original wheels (they cost £1100+ per wheel BTW), exhaust, ECU, etc, etc for something better it's just not interesting?
Better still don't offer up an opinion at all, until you are privilleged to own one of these wonderful cars
As regards mods, all I'll be doing is de-chroming the side gill, paint matching the US-specific amber reflectors and adding some medium tint to aid with the sun. Stock blue calipers are a bit naff too, would look better black. I never change wheels, exhausts or add spoilers, stickers or vents but to each their own.
Remember though, an M5 is a toy not an investment.
As regards mods, all I'll be doing is de-chroming the side gill, paint matching the US-specific amber reflectors and adding some medium tint to aid with the sun. Stock blue calipers are a bit naff too, would look better black. I never change wheels, exhausts or add spoilers, stickers or vents but to each their own.
Remember though, an M5 is a toy not an investment.
I have to agree about the car being a toy. If you're concerned about the value of your 'investment', then the M5 isn't the car for you.
I started with a simple exhaust mod - resonator removal. Then of course went for larger BBS wheels and better tires (Michelin Pilot Sports). After 20,000 miles installed lowering springs, then went another 10,000 miles and did a chip, intake and pulley. Then went another 5,000 miles and put in a Dinan diff (big mistake). Each time I had some mods done, it was like I had a new car. I enjoyed the mod for a while, then thought about what I could do next. Fantastic car for 130,000 miles, and yes, I paid a fair amount in non-warranty repairs, but it was worth it for sure.
I have to agree about the car being a toy. If you're concerned about the value of your 'investment', then the M5 isn't the car for you.
I started with a simple exhaust mod - resonator removal. Then of course went for larger BBS wheels and better tires (Michelin Pilot Sports). After 20,000 miles installed lowering springs, then went another 10,000 miles and did a chip, intake and pulley. Then went another 5,000 miles and put in a Dinan diff (big mistake). Each time I had some mods done, it was like I had a new car. I enjoyed the mod for a while, then thought about what I could do next. Fantastic car for 130,000 miles, and yes, I paid a fair amount in non-warranty repairs, but it was worth it for sure.
I just think its a culture thing. Those mods in Europe are generally done by people with no class. I don't think it's the same stateside.
Hmm-Interesting post and outlook on cultural phenomenon. If I am not mistaken, many in the US simply strive to make their car run stronger but not different looking from stock. Most engine modifications are invisible, but there are some that attempt to modify the look, or body style, albeit sometimes unsuccessfully.
The viewpoint is well taken, and its my opinion that the best resales are those with little or no modifications. I couldn't help install the Evolve tune, and there will be others. Today-installed the same SMG software you guys have in Europe. Nothing wrong with that I hope?
Thanks,
Bill
i completelly disagree with that post, im personally not a fan of visual mods like spoilers and body kits or even rims for that matter but im a huge fan of performance mods. how is that tasteless?? the tuners are not better than the bmw techs but the build for a different purpose, when bmw tunes a car they have to worry about fuel economy and emissions, a tuner can extract 15hp more but maybe sacrifce one of the 2, that doeant make it better or worse but different, lets look at exhaust, some like quiet some like loud, some like raspy, and some like f1, so how is any of that bad or dumb!?!?!?!? look at my youtube channel, lots and lots of fun with my modded m6
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i completelly disagree with that post, im personally not a fan of visual mods like spoilers and body kits or even rims for that matter but im a huge fan of performance mods. how is that tasteless?? the tuners are not better than the bmw techs but the build for a different purpose, when bmw tunes a car they have to worry about fuel economy and emissions, a tuner can extract 15hp more but maybe sacrifce one of the 2, that doeant make it better or worse but different, lets look at exhaust, some like quiet some like loud, some like raspy, and some like f1, so how is any of that bad or dumb!?!?!?!? look at my youtube channel, lots and lots of fun with my modded m6
I was going to give my opinion, but this guy took the words right off the tip of my fingers... however, in short, I think light modding, such as lowered ride height, no chrome side vents and such, some tinted windows (both for the look and to help with the sun) and some nice wheels and your car looks different from every other M5 or whatever you drive. Its all personal preference, but I now know that if I ever moved to the UK, I could never mod a car again without being looked at like an...idiot?
edit: I too am not a fan of aftermarket BODY kits, or spoilers or anything else that cheapens the look IMO.
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