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I am amazed of the Uzi in a case, now I will be ducking from every briefcase I see The video made me laugh because I imagined a bunch of guys in the desert having trouble holding their briefcases.
The interesting point about Arizona is the recent change in the gun law to carry a concealed weapon without a permit. This means that any person who owns a gun can carry a weapon out of plain site. I am a little uneasy by that law change and I tend to be more choosy about what public places I hang out. I wished that there would be a mandatory training class for every class of weapon; rife, handgun, and assault weapons etc... with the first purchase for that individual.... guys with experience of guns...thoughts?
If people have a problem and don't see why people should own a gun, any gun...., they all can kill, there is no difference what the gun is, then the law would have to be changed...since Law abiding citizens can and do buy guns, of their own free will, there shouldn't be a problem here..??
I am confused...what does this statement mean??? ....lol
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From my reading...you are conflating "rights" and "privileges"
The 2A gives me the "right" to a gun...no test required other than a background check to prove you are not a criminal or mentally deficient....but as Heller points out...not the right to any gun, at any time...the State can make laws restricting SOME guns at SOME times...for example...I cannot carry my gun to my childs school...
However, driving a car is a "privilege" and the State can do what ever they want...BTW...criminals still drive without licenses all of the time...
So to answer ARD questions about the lines to be draw...the SCOTUS gave little guidance...except to say that it is up to the states and you cannot give a blanket ban like Chicago, NYC and DC were doing...
As I stated earlier I have no problem with gun ownership. I am just weary of people owning such powerful guns. I myself am a bit pessimistic that the background checks are thorough. That is all. As I said, I would feel much better if people had to go through mandatory gun education. Yes the second amendment does give you gun ownership rights, but not any gun at any time as you pointed out. But none the less, I still support stricter laws pertaining to assault rifles. I think the potential for their destruction is too great. Also, a gun unlike a car is most likely not as closely related to someone's economic well being as a car. Well at least I sure hope their economic well being isn't related to the guns they own.
As I stated earlier I have no problem with gun ownership. I am just weary of people owning such powerful guns. I myself am a bit pessimistic that the background checks are thorough. That is all. As I said, I would feel much better if people had to go through mandatory gun education. Yes the second amendment does give you gun ownership rights, but not any gun at any time as you pointed out. But none the less, I still support stricter laws pertaining to assault rifles. I think the potential for their destruction is too great. Also, a gun unlike a car is most likely not as closely related to someone's economic well being as a car. Well at least I sure hope their economic well being isn't related to the guns they own.
The potential for assault rifles causing destruction is too great? I don't buy this argument. Have you ever been to a gun show stateside? Tons of law abiding citizens stroll around with their *assault* rifles hanging by their shoulders. Really, the amount of destruction caused by any weapon (handgun, rifle - assault or otherwise) is limited to the craziness (or criminal tendencies) of the person holding it. Consider for example the amount of knife crime in England (over a million annual incidents!!):
Some of my in-laws that own jewelry shops have been robbed several times at gun point (police don't come to these crimes because the bobbies don't even have guns and constables with guns are limited and far in between). Its a stupid mess over there (Olympics shooting team practice their shooting in France, there are no exceptions made for sports shooting for handguns).
I could go on, but the thought process behind the assumption that bans work is simply ******ed and can be empirically shown not to work using any number of examples from real life bans not working (whether rifles or handguns or knives or whatever else you will).
The video made me laugh because I imagined a bunch of guys in the desert having trouble holding their briefcases
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