Amazing what some people would do

[BlueBiturbo]

New York Mayor Featured in Pro-Marijuana Ad
I'm sure New Yorkers have seen this, but this is all news to me

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...oomberg_pot_dc

I am not pro or against any politicians, it's just sad how far some people would go to Legalize Marijuana.

Look at this quote:
"Millions of people smoke marijuana today," said NORML Executive Director Keith Stroup, a lawyer who says he has been smoking pot for 30 years, at a midtown news conference on Tuesday. ---> Right on Man, MENS SANA IN CORPORE SANO

Question : would you hire a lawyer high on Ganja for 30 years? Not me, not even for a parking ticket case I don't know whether to laugh or cry....

[Xipe]

Well, Eddie Dodd seemed to know what he was doing despite all the drugs.

Although I think it's quite sufficient with one major recreational drug in any society (west == alcohol) I also believe it's misleading to hold out marijuana, or any other drug for that matter, as being "worse" than alcohol without providing facts that will hold up.

AFAIK alcohol is more damaging to the brain than marijuana, for instance.
Maybe it's time that the anti-drug people got some real arguments instead of just F.U.D. - the pro-drugists are at least creative.

[Armin77]

So, shall I stop drinking my weekly cup of whine or shall I begin to smoke that stuff?

:p

[BlueBiturbo]

Originally posted by Armin77
So, shall I stop drinking my weekly cup of whine or shall I begin to smoke that stuff?

:p

Nice analogy man....
We all know what happened when you smoke too much that stuff. I don't be want you to end up like this guy:
http://members.roadfly.com/scarface/BANGLE.jpg

[Prometheus NY]

OK, let's start the fire here on another thread. First off, there is nothing wrong with marijuana, or any other drug for that matter.
Personally, I'm kind of a health fanatic and aside from social drinking I don't really do any kind of drug. I'd be damned to think myself in a position to dictate what someone else can and cannot do.

Snorting weed or taking in any other foriegn substance should be left up to the individual. Just as with alchohol, as long as they stay off the roads while they're under the influence of foreign substances, let them do what they want.

I can't remember the exact details, but the other day I heard about a little boy who was intercepted at some airport with 4 or 5 kilos of cocaine up his butt. Of course, if drugs were legal, things like this wouldn't happen.

People have been devising ways to get a rush from some form of drug or alchohol since we've been primates, and whether it's illegal or not people will continue to do so. It's not right for a group of self righteous to decide what other people should do. If you want to smoke weed, smoke it. If you want to snort blow, snort it. Just don't endanger anyone but yourself.

The legality of drugs would eliminate a whole bunch of serious problems, such as the boy I mentioned before. In my opinion, anyone who thinks that there is any other reason for the illegality of drugs other than governmental profit really needs a reality check. Yes, that was a polite way to put it.

[JetBoy]

AFAIK alcohol is more damaging to the brain than marijuana, for instance.

My father is a neurologist and always says that is false in most of the cases. Smoking marijuana doesn't do any damage to some people ( few ) but it does a damage to the vast majority of people. It depends on the person who smokes...

The worst drugs for the brain are the "tablets", a real bomb for the brain, they do a massive destruction. He knows 17 years old boys and also girls that are already crazy forever. It is sad.

[BlueBiturbo]

Originally posted by Prometheus NY

Snorting weed or taking in any other foriegn substance should be left up to the individual. Just as with alchohol, as long as they stay off the roads while they're under the influence of foreign substances, let them do what they want.

The sad part about it is kids been offered free drugs (Heroin) since Year 7 (Junior High). Sometimes it started with weeds, then extacy, crack, heroin, etc. Some users don't do drugs because they want to, rather because of peer pressure, addiction, etc.

Down here we have HUGE trouble with kids on drugs, especially heroin which is very addictive.

[Armin77]

I have to say that I agree with BlueBiTurbo in this subject. Just a question for Prometheus NY: Do you think that the legalization of some drugs solved any problems in the Netherlands? I don't think so, because people that wouldn't use drugs when its illegal wouldn't use them even when its legal. Nowadays, informations about the damage that drugs could cause is very widespread, so nearly everybody knows what it is about. In my humble opinion, people take drugs because they want avoid reality, they don't want to face it, and because some people can't say NO to persons that offer them drugs for not being considered as boring! If you look at the power that drug dealers and gangs have here in South America, you would get scared. There are regions of some countries here, such as Colombia and Peru, where not even the Army can go, because these gangs just shoots them out of there. There is a part of the city of Rio de Janeiro where the Military Police is not able to enter, not even with 400 cops, armored vehicles and strong armamend, because the drug dealers have AR-15 and AK-47 guns. And these gangs are involved in many other crimes worldwide!!! So even if some people think that the pot doesn't do any bad, they should stop using it for not financing crime and terrorism. Don't people stop buying things because of the environmental impact, use of child labor and other social impacts? So, why should people finance terrorism instead???

[IvanDias]

I`m afraid that I`m with Prometheus on this one.

I don`t do anything other than alcohol, this make me almost the outsider in my social group.

If you want to take/do it then just do it.

If the Government not only legalised it, but actully let companies make the damn stuff as available as beer, then you would knock out the whole dealer network in one hit. You also have a massive reduction in crime from addicts used to financing $500 a day thru robberies and fraud, and you cut down on deaths thru snorting drain cleaner or overdosing because you just bought 40% pure instead of 10% pure coke.

And they (Government), mustn`t tax the crap out of it like cigaretts and alcohol, otherwise you still get the illegal drug trade, just like in the UK with everyone going to France and bringing back huge quantities of booze as the taxable rate is so much lower over there.


Before you start flaming, remember this is "IMHO" and also, yes I fully realised drug related deaths will occur.

But, and it`s a big but, I think that the damage caused by the illegal drug trade and all the associated crime/violence/quality/od issues is the lesser of two evils.



Rant mode deactivated.

Ivan.

[Armin77]

Well, let me say, that if you would live where I live, you would strongly reconsider some of your positions. A government legalizing drugs would simply be the same as giving reckless and shameless murders the chance to pay taxes. Even if drugs would be legalized, these people simply are underground, because they didn't worry to corrupt lawyers, prosecuters, cops and high profile politics, nor to kill them or anybody else that was or is against them. So, even if drugs would be legal, these people are still criminals, and they will for sure find another illegal businesses, such as prostitution and slavery to finance themselves. To say in fact, they are already involved in this, initially financed by the drugs. What has to be done is to give them the certainity that they will be punished for illegal behavior, and killing people for sure is illegal.

[Xipe]

Prometheus NY, we just keep on agreeing on all the threads we post on.


Armin77: So, shall I stop drinking my weekly cup of whine or shall I begin to smoke that stuff?

Like I said, I prefer that people stick to alcohol. It's the western way. We don't need katt, marijuana, opium or some other ****. So stick with your wine.

Neurologically I have absolutely no idea, but from a bit heavier abuse than what you do I have read reports that state that marijuana is easier on the brain....

Personally I think it's best to keep to alcohol in moderation, that way you can have fun, tie back to your cultural heritage, be legal and avoid any noticable brain dysfunctions - all at the same time. That, however is not an argument for banning other substances. Let each and everyone decide if they want to abuse alcohol, marijuana, heroin - or if they'd like to use a particular substance in moderation.