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Old 20th October 2008, 13:39   #51
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Ron Paul was the only person I would have voted for and believed in...Right now it is like picking the lesser of two evils...for me thats McCain.


Unfortunately I think what we are really confronted with in this election is
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I think this topic is more in line with this thread then the Palin thread.

This is what scares the crud out of me, first you have this stuff happening.
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The Columbus Dispatch : Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber

I don't care what party/parties it is, this is what we the public need to fight.
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Old 26th October 2008, 04:48   #53
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There's something missed here, bigtime.

With a radical left-wing president, and a leftist in-control house and senate, this country will be dragged to its knees, likely taking ~20-30 years to recover. Lobbyists and pork-barrel spending fans will have never had it so good. It'll be crap on a stick, crap on a cracker and crap rammed up our a$$es for decades. My respect for the populace of this country has gone -- yep, you guessed it -- into the crapper.
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Old 26th October 2008, 16:25   #54
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With a radical left-wing president, and a leftist in-control house and senate, this country will be dragged to its knees, likely taking ~20-30 years to recover. Lobbyists and pork-barrel spending fans will have never had it so good.
I agree with your first point, but in terms of never having it so good, Bush and the Republican majority presided (and led) the largest growth in federal spending since LBJ. That and the stupid war (not in that order) were responsible for them losing the last election badly. I suspect it will be even much worse this time. While the Dems are truly dreadful, what is even worse is a Republican majority that is indistinguishable from their policies and thus people have no material choice. The Republicans responsible for this debacle (that's most of them) need to lose and be drummed out of the party if it has any chance of being resurrected into a positive force. However, I doubt this will happen. Republicans have been so incredibly stupid for so very long and the party deserves to disappear so something far better can emerge.
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I agree with your first point, but in terms of never having it so good, Bush and the Republican majority presided (and led) the largest growth in federal spending since LBJ. That and the stupid war (not in that order) were responsible for them losing the last election badly. I suspect it will be even much worse this time. While the Dems are truly dreadful, what is even worse is a Republican majority that is indistinguishable from their policies and thus people have no material choice. The Republicans responsible for this debacle (that's most of them) need to lose and be drummed out of the party if it has any chance of being resurrected into a positive force. However, I doubt this will happen. Republicans have been so incredibly stupid for so very long and the party deserves to disappear so something far better can emerge.
bernhtp,

You are absolutely correct here. It's truly sad, that abuse of power. It's as you state, and is the ONLY reason a radical left wing president, house, and senate will be elected with a self-appointed mandate dedicated towards destruction. Really, really sad. The GOP blew it, and there's no other way to state that fact.

The really sad thing though is the knee-jerk reaction for the bullsh$t mantra of change, when that's actually code for HUGE government, HUGE spending, HUGE government intervention, MASSIVE liberal policies, supreme court justice appointments that'll legislate from the bench as opposed to from the constitution, and MOST NOTABLY -- the election of a president who has a record of DOING NOTHING -- not in the Illinois senate, not the the congressional senate, and moreover has a history of aligning himself with any and every shady a$$hole he can to get ahead -- for his own selfish benefit, country be damned.

And that's putting it lightly. See, I can spin in the democrats' favor just like the rest of the US media.

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YouTube - Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered
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I'm not sure why this is termed a bombshell. The entire political establishment is redistributionist.

The Bush administration has just led the largest redistribution in US history after the largest spending spree. Trillions have just been funneled to the politically-connected cronies on Wall Street and abroad from the pockets of taxpayers and dollar holders. Now that is a bombshell that we will feel it for many years to come.
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I'm not sure why this is termed a bombshell. The entire political establishment is redistributionist.

The Bush administration has just led the largest redistribution in US history after the largest spending spree. Trillions have just been funneled to the politically-connected cronies on Wall Street and abroad from the pockets of taxpayers and dollar holders. Now that is a bombshell that we will feel it for many years to come.
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Helloooo.... some people need to get real on this lastest red herring from McCain/Palin.

George Will had this to say about Palin's attacks on Obama's 'socialist' economic policies:
"Ninety-five percent of what the government does is redistribute wealth. It operates on the principle of concentrated benefits and dispersed costs. Case in point: we have sugar subsidies. Costs the American people billions of dollars but they don't notice it it's in such small increments. But the few sugar growers get very rich out of this. Now we have socialism for the strong - that is the well-represented and organized in Washington like the sugar growers. But it's socialism none the less and it's not new."
Will's example represents redistribution of wealth that clearly goes against free market principles. But where socialism seeks to create a more equal distribution of wealth, these subsidies concentrate wealth into the hands of a few Florida growers. Americans are fleeing in droves the Conservative mantra of 'what's good for corporate America is good for the people' and the trickle down economics of tax cuts for the wealthy and lax regulation.

Most Americans have given up waiting for prosperity to 'trickle down'. Looking at smoking shell of our financial system, it's apparent that corporate interests are both selfish and self-defeating. By rolling back Bush's irresponsible tax cuts, Obama is, in effect, seeking a more equitable distribution of wealth. Conservatives need to stop and ask themselves why Obama - and a majority of the American people - think we need some sort of more equitable wealth redistribution. Eight years of concentrating wealth in the highest income brackets has led us down a miserable path.

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