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"The Professor" not a mod any more?? Daayaamn. This Board has gotten WAAAAY too sensitive. Professor, 'hope you'll keep those new words for the dictionary coming. I've kept a list.
BTW, a 993 Turbo sucks. I don't fit in them. Besides, "they're too slow and the handling is a nightmare"; quoted directly to me by Hurley Haywood. I kid you not.
Hi Dan,
Just a quick comment with regard to your conversation with H. Haywood on the 993tt...
I'm very well aware of this -- he's by no means wrong. The caveat being, relative to cars of the 21st century. Actually, I still remember the 1996 Automobile magazine cover -- "Sell your Soul, Buy this Car [the 993 Turbo]".
Btw, you should see Haywood's earlier comments on that car -- back in that era he offered complimentary comments, but yes, they were relative. At any rate, here's a nice marketing vid for the 993 (you've prolly seen it).
I've been driving 911s for as long as I can remember (which is to say for a long time). The allure of the 993 is that it is the pinnacle of the air-cooled gems (and yes, sadly, budgets too severely limited it's potential).
I'm not sure if you were driving the 3.2s in the '80s, but nothing even came remotely close (I used to balance those things on a dime).
As Ferry himself was once quoted, they're [911's] great for a trip around the block to pick up a gallon of milk, which is to say challenging and fun.
To clarify, I didn't acquire the 993tt for motorsport. I'm still awaiting my 997 GT3 though, for purely track purposes.
Just a quick comment with regard to your conversation with H. Haywood on the 993tt...
I'm very well aware of this -- he's by no means wrong. The caveat being, relative to cars of the 21st century. Actually, I still remember the 1996 Automobile magazine cover -- "Sell your Soul, Buy this Car [the 993 Turbo]".
Btw, you should see Haywood's earlier comments on that car -- back in that era he offered complimentary comments, but yes, they were relative. At any rate, here's a nice marketing vid for the 993 (you've prolly seen it).
I've been driving 911s for as long as I can remember (which is to say for a long time). The allure of the 993 is that it is the pinnacle of the air-cooled gems (and yes, sadly, budgets too severely limited it's potential).
I'm not sure if you were driving the 3.2s in the '80s, but nothing even came remotely close (I used to balance those things on a dime).
As Ferry himself was once quoted, they're [911's] great for a trip around the block to pick up a gallon of milk, which is to say challenging and fun.
To clarify, I didn't acquire the 993tt for motorsport. I'm still awaiting my 997 GT3 though, for purely track purposes.
Cheers.
HA!! I detect you've been "stewing" about Mr. Haywoods comments. You're exactly right; he even used the word "relative" when we were talking about Porsche cars, past and present. You should have heard what he had to say about 996 GT2. It wasn't flattering. BTW, these conversations occurred during the best automotive day I've ever had in my entire life. I was a guest of PCNA at Calif. Speedway to test drive CGT (this was in 12/05; when they were trying to entice potential buyers to pony up $$$ to sell their remaining planned production). Mr. Haywood was one of 4 factory race drivers there to "show" customers how a CGT performed on the Speedway's full road course. To make a long story short, 'was his passenger for 6 laps; the last 2 were "hot laps" @ his 10/10th's (we had helmet to helmet telemetry and he actually asked me if I wanted to experience the car at "full bore"!! All I could do was say "Go for it" and put a death grip on the grab handle. Geez, can that man drive a Porsche!!) We then changed seats and I did 6 laps with him in the passenger seat; giving me a constant stream of instructions on turn-in's, brake zones, line set-up, etc, etc, etc. After 4 progressively faster laps, he said "She's all yours" and I went @ my personal 10/10th's for 2 more laps (probably = to his 5/10th's, LOL). That was, by far, the easiest car to drive fast I've ever been in. Simply amazing.
Anyway, regarding 993's and their predecessors, I lusted for a Porsche from a very early age. The key comment in my prior post was "I don't fit". At 6'5", 250 - 260 lbs (depending on how much food I've consumed on any given day, LOL) I simply was too big too be comfortable driving the damned things. Until Porsche (thank you) made the 996 (bigger cabin). When I first drove one, I was amazed at how comfortable it was. To this day, my Turbo is the preferred car when I go on long road trips.
Hey, 'can't end this thread without posting a couple of pic's for your viewing pleasure. An absolutely pristine 993 Turbo that Martin (owner of Board sponsor AGA) had just finished servicing. Enjoy.
This has always been a civilized board with a clientele a cut above other message boards. When did this change?
MJ
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Just to make this very clear: JOIN DATE IS IRRELEVANT. You might be a "charter member" of this permutation of m5board, but there were several before this one, in particular the Mformation board where I remember the day that Gustav T. joined, this was sometime in the mid 90s. Gustav took over most of the internet traffic regarding the M5 on his swipenet.se messageboard.
Claiming some sort of priority or higher level of deference in relation to being flamed is not going to happen based upon join date. After review of this thread, it is not Wayward's involvement that has brought the thread to its knees, but rather a consistent pattern of:
1. Failing to read
2. Failing to comprehend
3. Failing to be reasonable
4. Failing to recognize human elements
5. A very weak backbone, usually evidenced by claiming to be O-G.
If you were around long enough you would have understood the change in the board occured before this board was created (thanks to the advent of the E39 mass production mass market M5).
Common sense has never prevailed here because common sense does not exist with anonminity through the internet.
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