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Old 5th April 2012, 04:08   #31
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SPEC is indeed selling them.
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Very cool glad to know there are finally aftermarket options. Hopefully, I won't need one anytime soon. Last I heard SPEC isn't selling there clutches, has that changed?
Yep, they are. Great info:

Twin-disk aftermarket clutch offerings for the M5/M6 SMG 7 speed and Manual 6 speed
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We are offering a 30% discount to the First M6board forum member to purchase our M6 SMG clutch product!

Take advantage to save $980!
We have already sold our first kit to a forum member last week and to continue our discount we are now offering a 10% off to all members ! See the link below for more information;

CNS Racing BMW E63 / E64 M6 Power Clutch kit SMG

CNS Racing BMWE63/E64 M6 Power Clutch kit Manual 6 spd

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That's still $940 more than the ST Trim Spec Clutch that has the same torque rating. Is there a specific benefit your clutch has to justify the $940?
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I am curious in the justification of the pricing difference as well. I think anytime that a shop offers more modification options for the M5 and M6's that it is a great thing.

I have talked on the phone to Spec Cutch out of Bessemer, AL and they have twin disk offerings for both the 7 speed SMG and the 6 speed manual. Both range from a price of $1,799 for the "stage 1" up to $2,099 for the "stage 4" and come with a billet steel flywheel; or an alum one for the manual 6 speed. Their flywheel torque capacity ratings are between 900lb/ft for the stage 1 up to 1,400lb/ft for the stage 4. This is for both the the 7 speed SMG and the 6 speed manual. With drivetrain loss that would put them right in the torque capacity range of your offering. So what is the difference of your offering that warrants the $1,000+ increase in price? I am not trying to say that your product is not worth the price difference. But if we are paying an extra $1,167 then what are we getting for that extra money? Thank you for your patience and your company taking the time to support these cars.

CNS I had posted a few questions earlier that you may have accidentally overlooked. Please refer to my quoted message above so we can resolves these and come to a better understanding. Thank you for your time and keep up the good work.
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CNS I had posted a few questions earlier that you may have accidentally overlooked. Please refer to my quoted message above so we can resolves these and come to a better understanding. Thank you for your time and keep up the good work.
Unfortunately we do not have details on what other companies are offering nor can we comment and what we can tell you is that we are the leader in clutches designed for the BMW E39 M5 for the past many years and were previous M5board sponsors. We have designed a very successful line of BMW E39 M5 products and we are now entering the E60/E63/E64 M5/M6 market. Should your choice be made primarily on cost then this would be an individual choice vs feedback from members. We have one of our customers who posted this below on our SMG M5/M6 clutch product;

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I was one of the early adopters of the CNS E60 SMG clutch kit. I had bought a 2007 E60 M5 and the factory SMG clutch was in need of changing at just 32k miles. Since I had owned an E39 M5 and had experience with the CNS 10.5 clutch for this car it was an easy decision for me to purchase this new SMG clutch kit. Their work is hands down the best in terms of producing street friendly clutches that can take racing conditions too. When I recieved the CNS SMG clutch it looked like a serious piece of art. My mechanic got it installed in 7 hours and from day one it has performed very well. I now have 3800 miles and the engagement is smooth with no gear noises at all. I plan to supercharge the car in the future and the CNS SMG clutch is highly recommended.

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Unfortunately we do not have details on what other companies are offering nor can we comment and what we can tell you is that we are the leader in clutches designed for the BMW E39 M5 for the past many years and were previous M5board sponsors. We have designed a very successful line of BMW E39 M5 products and we are now entering the E60/E63/E64 M5/M6 market. Should your choice be made primarily on cost then this would be an individual choice vs feedback from members. We have one of our customers who posted this below on our SMG M5/M6 clutch product;

Thank you kindly for your reply. Most of us make choices based upon the balance of quality versus cost rather than either one alone. Obviously no one here wants to sacrifice quality but at the same time your competitor is a pretty big name in the clutch industry as well so that bodes well for the quality of their product too. If I were currently in the market for one I would want to make an educated decision based upon both of those. Since I am not, the second best option is to do research on the options until I am. Simple math easily determines what the cost difference is for both options but the quality difference is an X factor until you, the manufacturer, educates us on the differences of your product versus the competition. No one is asking that anyone bash the other companies product but if you could highlight the technical differences from your competition that probably were found during your research/marketability phase of development it sure would be appreciated. I prefer to better understand the quality differences that justify the extra cost of your part over the competitor. Who better than to hear it from the horses mouth? While I do appreciate seeing examples of customer feedback I find that it is less based upon technical reasoning than if I had discussed the details with the manufacturer themselves. As per your previous support of the E39 M5, and the positive reviews garnered, I have no doubt that your product is likely of stellar quality. I just want to better understand the reasoning for your considerably higher price point when compared to other well respected manufacturers? I don't believe I am being unreasonable with my request.

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Thank you kindly for your reply. Most of us make choices based upon the balance of quality versus cost rather than either one alone. Obviously no one here wants to sacrifice quality but at the same time your competitor is a pretty big name in the clutch industry as well so that bodes well for the quality of their product too. If I were currently in the market for one I would want to make an educated decision based upon both of those. Since I am not, the second best option is to do research on the options until I am. Simple math easily determines what the cost difference is for both options but the quality difference is an X factor until you, the manufacturer, educates us on the differences of your product versus the competition. No one is asking that anyone bash the other companies product but if you could highlight the technical differences from your competition that probably were found during your research/marketability phase of development it sure would be appreciated. I prefer to better understand the quality differences that justify the extra cost of your part over the competitor. Who better than to hear it from the horses mouth? While I do appreciate seeing examples of customer feedback I find that it is less based upon technical reasoning than if I had discussed the details with the manufacturer themselves. As per your previous support of the E39 M5, and the positive reviews garnered, I have no doubt that your product is likely of stellar quality. I just want to better understand the reasoning for your considerably higher price point when compared to other well respected manufacturers? I don't believe I am being unreasonable with my request.
Another way to judge quality aside from reputation and customer feedback is the warranty length. I know CNC stated they back their clutch for 6 months -- what's SPEC's warranty?

It's kind of a "put your warranty where your mouth is" situation...

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Another way to judge quality aside from reputation and customer feedback is the warranty length. I know CNC stated they back their clutch for 6 months -- what's SPEC's warranty?

It's kind of a "put your warranty where your mouth is" situation...

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Good point. I just sent them an email to see what the warranty is. Perhaps that's the difference?


Hey CNS Racing, are you guys the original manufacturer of the M5/M6 SMG clutches you are offering or did you put a package together as a dealer for another company who makes them for you? I just assumed that you were the manufacturer but I just realized I didn't actually ask that. I apologize for my assumption and this may point to why some of my questions have been hard to answer.

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Here's pictures of the clutch offerings from both Spec & CNS. Is it possible CNS is selling Spec Clutches? The pictures are the exact same thing only a different color shade. CNS, what say you?
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