NEW E-FLASH w/ SMG Capability Group Buy - Page 7

Vodyk · 19th April 2012, 17:37

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Originally Posted by EuroCarFan

Let's clarify this memory feature. My understanding is that it's supposed to remember which mode you're in if you turn off the car and come back to it later so if I was in manual S mode, it should stay that way. I have the euro SMG tune and that's not the case. It always goes back to D mode (S5) so I would have to nudge the shifter to the right to get back into manual mode.

True, what you said. How things have been worded and I have probably made this mistake previously is saying it remembers your last drive mode that being Manual or Drive (automated). It does remember your last Manual (S) setting. However when you first turn on your car and from neutral go into S/D you will start in D1 which if you push to the right again or up to downshift will go into S (which will be the last shift speed setting you had).

Correctly stated: It remembers the last S shift speed you were in. Start-up sequence is different from US in that it defaults to D.

This also happens with ess software.

xlouisx · 28th April 2012, 13:25

Still available for group buy?

PyroZona · 5th May 2012, 04:36

Well, this definitely supports what I was afraid was true - ESS is selling the Euro SMG software that anyone can get for free (or Vodyk will do for you for a most reasonable $150 + shipping back and forth) for a whopping $695!!

Here's what solidified my opinion/assumption on this: I called ESS and spoke with Roman on Monday of this week. I told him that I was looking to do the Euro SMG upgrade on my '08 M5 and would rather keep my SMG control unit in my car and make the short drive from Phoenix to Gilbert (about 20 minutes) than pull it out and ship it back and forth to Pennsylvania (no offense, Vodyk!)....IF they could match, or at least come close to the $150 + shipping that I'd spend sending it to Vodyk. On the phone, Roman told me that his "tuner guy" was out of the country at the moment, but if I wanted to shoot him an email, once the "tuner guy" got back in a couple days he would talk with him and "...probably save you [me] some money over sending my unit out to be upgraded." So I sent Roman an email with the details of our phone conversation, hoping to hear that they would man-up and be honest about their SMG tune and help a local guy (especially after I offered to display ESS Tuning decals in the Nevada Open Road Challenge event I'll be running...and the reason I want the SMG upgrade...in a couple weeks) out by matching the very reasonable price that Vodyk charges, being that I was pretty sure it was the same exact file being flashed.

Here's the email I got back from Roman 2 days later:

The software used by us is not the same. We run a custom modified ver....sion of the Euro Spec file that is most likely being used by this 3^rd party. We cannot match or beat the price you listed below. Standard Euro Spec software is an improvement over stock and for $150 is a nice upgrade if you can get it done for that price."

This is the reason for the title of my post - ESS IS SELLING THE EURO SPEC SMG SOFTWARE THAT ANYONE CAN GET FOR FREE, FOR $695.00!!! Needless to say, I will never spend a single penny on anything from ESS Tuning, because I don't agree with or respect the way they do business. Please note, this is my opinion...and I could be wrong. Please do your own research, make your own decision and act accordingly.

Pyro

euro-spec · 5th May 2012, 15:49

Waiting for ESS to chime in, Or RPI, or Anybody that has experience with the tune.

I m really looking to get this for drive over to Vodyk.

EuroCarFan · 5th May 2012, 18:35

Not sure I understand. ESS has confirmed their SMG tune is different than the euro SMG tune that Vodyk discovered you can do on your own, hence why they're charging more. ESS and others have confimed the difference (faster shifts, memory feature...) on this thread. Assuming that's true, why are you saying it's still the same tune?

PyroZona · 6th May 2012, 01:13

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Originally Posted by EuroCarFan

Not sure I understand. ESS has confirmed their SMG tune is different than the euro SMG tune that Vodyk discovered you can do on your own, hence why they're charging more. ESS and others have confimed the difference (faster shifts, memory feature...) on this thread. Assuming that's true, why are you saying it's still the same tune?

Really?? Maybe I'm missing something, but from Vodyk's post above mine, it seems to me that he's saying that the EuroSpec SMG software . does have a memory function of sorts:

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Originally Posted by Vodyk

Correctly stated: It remembers the last S shift speed you were in. Start-up sequence is different from US in that it defaults to D.

This also happens with ess software.

...and that the ESS software does the same thing that the EuroSpec software does.

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Originally Posted by Vodyk

I would hope so! but I doubt it. I have driven both euro and ess cars and have identical characteristics. Startup defaults / etc. Also E46 smg users have found the CSL stock software and ess software to be very similar. This is all speculation and would require code comparison to prove. I wouldn't discourage anyone from getting the ESS smg software however until it can be identified by the driver as better then it is miss labeled and simply a repackaging.

Both ess tune and euro tune have same memory features (identical). Still up for dispute on whether shifts are different.

So I don't agree that ESS has confirmed a damned thing. They've alleged their software is different, but have yet to come back up here to confirm anything...nor have they replied to the email I sent them days ago, asking how they figure their software is different from the version that's available for no cost here on these forums.

If I have indeed missed how ESS has confirmed anything, please feel free to point this out to me so I can apologize for missing it.

Peter

EuroCarFan · 6th May 2012, 02:43

See the post below that was posted earlier in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Asbjorn@ESSTuning

S5 and S6 shift modes are reprogrammed for quicker shifts and faster engagements.

Also, from the email you quoted by ESS, they said their tune is a modified version of the Euro smg tune. Do you want them to describe exactly how it's modified other than what they posted about the faster shift speed for S5 and S6?

I'm not taking sides but it seems simple to me. Vodyk discovered a DIY for the Euro SMG; ESS supposedly has a modified version of this that they charge $695 to have done. Unless you can prove that theirs is exactly the same as the regular Euro SMG, then there's really no argument except for maybe if the modifications they made are really worth $695. Another thing to note is that companies used to charge (or probably still do) $1K for this programming. Singh Autosport was one. Not sure if they still charge and at what price point.

WickedBMW · 11th June 2012, 10:03

Lets stay on track here. If combined E-Flash and SMG Tune, what is the best deal ESS can do? I will get it immediately, if the the pice is right.

V10 S85 · 11th June 2012, 10:41

Whats diffrence ess e-flash and direct flash? Any dyno charts?

RPIpower · 11th June 2012, 21:34

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Originally Posted by V10 S85

Whats diffrence ess e-flash and direct flash? Any dyno charts?

The difference is explained in the thread. There is no difference in power between the eflash and direct flash since its just the hardware/method of how the car is programmed. The actual tune software is the same.