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Old 15th September 2008, 19:55   #1
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ASR Engineering E60 M5/ E63 M6 CAI Group Buy

We have finished production of our CAI that is now in stock and ready to ship. The following link will take you to all the dyno testing and R&D info for this product. ASR Engineering CAI Dyno Results

The Group Buy will require a minimum of 5 board member's to be on the list and no more than 10. The list price for this product is $2995 and the Group buy price will be set @ $2495 + shipping. To be on the list we require that you contact us with your billing and shipping info along with a deposit for the product. The deposit will be 50% of the group buy price. Once the list has reached a minimum of 5 boardmembers, we will contact you to charge the remainder of the 50% plus shipping.

The following are pics of the completed production CAI installed, and the following link shows some pics of the CAI with the bumper off. Flickr: Search
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Old 15th September 2008, 21:52   #2
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Abid, allow me to congratulate you on the newly released mod. Nicely done!

I've went through the dyno testing and the related discussion. It definitely looks promising. Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I've understood, those who already have removed the CF, the net results will be approx. 12 whp & 15 rwt. Right? Nevertheless, prior to rushing into my decision, I'd appreciate your kind feedback in answering a couple of my questions:
  1. Just to clarify, I already have the RPI Scoops, BMC Filters & Block Off plates. Is there any way we can keep all the three items together with the CAI or is it a must to remove them all?
  2. I'm about to install the Vorsteiner CF Hood, will that in any way be a problem if it rains? The CAI look like they are properly sealed.
  3. Would you deduct from the actual group price if we intend to send you the stock intakes? If yes, how much?
  4. I know you haven't experienced any warning errors after the installation of the CAI. However, in Riyadh, temperatures go up to 60 degrees. Would extreme heat have any negative impact after the CAI installation?
  5. You've stated that "ASR CAI will produce even further gains with an ECU flash". This is not a general question, however just would like to know if specifically a "AA ECU Software" would need to be reprogrammed after CAI installation?
  6. Is the engine CF strut bar part of the group buy? If not how much are you selling it for?
  7. How much time would the CAI installation require?
I look forward for your kind gesture. Thanks in advance.
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  • Engine: RPi / PC Stage 2 ECU Software, RPi ST Underdrive Pulley Kit, RPi Ram Air Intake Kit (Black) & Block Off Plates, RPi SV1 Oil Cooler (Black), M-Sprint Booster
  • Exhaust: RPi GT Headers, RPi Hybrid X Pipe Section 2, RPi GT Section 3
  • Exterior: Vorsteiner CF Vented Hood, RH Type CF Splitter, Upper CF Mirrors, CF Side Skirts, CF AC Schnitzer Style Trunk Spoilers, CF Side & Kidney Grills, Black Powder Coated Lower RaceMesh Grille, CF Pillars, all Roundels in CF, Red Angel Eyes, OEM Smoked Tail Lights, Smoked Side Markers, Brake Calipers Painted in Red with CF ///M Decal
  • Interior: Custom CF Lower Steering Wheel, CF Interior Trim, CF Handbrake, CF Gauges Trim, CF Door Pins, Illuminated Door Sills, OEM Aluminum Pedals
  • Wheels: OEM Blacked Out Rims with Michelin PS2 Tyres (Front: 255/40-19 Rear: 295/30-19), H&R Spacers (12mm Front)
  • Suspension: H&R Lowering Springs
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Abid, allow me to congratulate you on the newly released mod. Nicely done!


I've went through the dyno testing and the related discussion. It definitely looks promising. Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I've understood, those who already have removed the CF, the net results will be approx. 12 whp & 15 rwt. Right? Nevertheless, prior to rushing into my decision, I'd appreciate your kind feedback in answering a couple of my questions:
  1. Just to clarify, I already have the RPI Scoops, BMC Filters & Block Off plates. Is there any way we can keep all the three items together with the CAI or is it a must to remove them all?
  2. I'm about to install the Vorsteiner CF Hood, will that in any way be a problem if it rains? The CAI look like they are properly sealed.
  3. Would you deduct from the actual group price if we intend to send you the stock intakes? If yes, how much?
  4. I know you haven't experienced any warning errors after the installation of the CAI. However, in Riyadh, temperatures go up to 60 degrees. Would extreme heat have any negative impact after the CAI installation?
  5. You've stated that "ASR CAI will produce even further gains with an ECU flash". This is not a general question, however just would like to know if specifically a "AA ECU Software" would need to be reprogrammed after CAI installation?
  6. Is the engine CF strut bar part of the group buy? If not how much are you selling it for?
  7. How much time would the CAI installation require?
I look forward for your kind gesture. Thanks in advance.

Our CAI produces an additional peak 20whp & 26wtq @ 4000 rpm over a stock airbox with charcoal filters already removed. Overall max gains are 12whp and 15wtq, also compared to a stock airbox with charcoal filters already removed.

1. Unfortunately, the scoops, bmc filter, and block off plates will not work with our system.

2. The Vorsteiner CF hood will not have any issues with our CAI.

3. We will not give credits for stock intakes since they are of no use to us.

4. No extreme heat will not have any negative affect on our CAI. On the contrary it will decrease heat better than if you had a stock airbox.

5. As we stated in a previous post, you will not require a software reflash to reproduce the gains documented with our CAI.

6. The strut brace is not part of the kit. We will have our own strut brace available very soon though. Not quite sure what brand this one is since this is a customer's car.

7. Installation will require removing the front bumper and jacking the front end of the car up. It does not require a lift to do the install. Overall time for an experienced installer is 2 hrs. It usually takes us about 1-1.5 hrs to install.


Hope that helps answer your questions!
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Thank you ASR for your prompt reply. One thing that I don't quite understand when you imply that after the removal of the charcoal filters, the CAI produces an additional peak of 20whp & 26wtq @ 4000 rpm while the overall max. gains are only 12whp and 15wtq. Could you kindly elaborate further? Thank you.
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I think you mis-understood what I said. Both the additional hp/tq @ 4k rpm and max power, are compared to a dyno of the same car with charcoal filters already removed. The max gains are an increase over the stock max hp/tq and the peak gains are the most gains at a given rpm point throughout the powerband over stock.

We compare our hp/tq figures to stock cars with charcoal filters already removed. The reason for this is becasue many companies will claim hp/tq figures over stock, when most of the hp/tq comes from just removing the factory charcoal filters. For example: If a company claims 15whp gains over a stock M5 with charcoal filters still in place, the real hp gain with their intake is 5whp not 15whp. The 10whp gain comes from an average that most M5's gain from just removal of the charcoal filter.

Hope that helps explain things a bit better.
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does it require any cutting or modifying of the stock box's .. or is it a bolt on

I also have the ESS software, do I have to retune the ECU for your CAI? or is it going to automatically adjust?

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Absolutely not, no cutting or modifying of the factory airbox of any kind. The only thing that needs to be modified is the factroy front brake duct scoops in the bumper. No need to worry though since these factory brake duct scoops come as part of our kit already modified. This way you can keep your factory ones in case you ever have to go back to stock.

Our CAI will work with any aftermarket tune and does not require a special tune to produce the documented results. The factory ecu is extremely self attenuating to a certain degree. That being said, the factroy ecu can adjust for our CAI.
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I want to mention that since completion of our CAI, most customers we've already sold the system to didn't want to wait for the group buy. This is the same thing we dealt with when releasing our GEN II exhaust system. The guys that don't want to wait are having to pay full price. Since it slows down the group buy process for the guys that are willing to wait, I will add local customers to the list to make it fair if I see it moving too slowly.
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