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Old 29th September 2008, 00:56   #11
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Strange. I must look closer next time on a Pagani and Koenigsegg to compare. To Koenigseggs credit the first car to be in visible carbon fibre clearcoated was as you stated the CCX, so they have not done the clearcoat for a long time as Pagani.

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I paid attention to that when I saw the car at the Top Marques in Monaco this year.
And I can say...


... No, it isn't. In that car, the front bumper was not aligned with the front hood, and it seemed to me that the "V point" of the thread was not in the right centre axis of the car.
In a few words, it lacks the staggering perfection of a Zonda F's carbonfiber thread. Sure, Koenigsegg made some great improvements, but compared to Pagani, they're still light years away.
Plus, it appears to be much more "rough" in terms of textures.
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Old 29th September 2008, 01:42   #12
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Strange. I must look closer next time on a Pagani and Koenigsegg to compare. To Koenigseggs credit the first car to be in visible carbon fibre clearcoated was as you stated the CCX, so they have not done the clearcoat for a long time as Pagani.
I said the first CCX in bare carbonfiber was the violet one from Switzerland. And yes, very first Koenigsegg ever.
But that's a 2007 production car.

Bare carbon fiber was introduced by Pagani in 2003, with Horacio's personal Zonda.
And it went into further improving on the Zonda F and Roadster F.
There is also to say that Horacio started dealing with composite material like 20 or more years ago, when he was working in Lamborghini, and became responsible of the composite materials division.
So, his experience with CF dates back many years ago.

If you take a closer look to a Zonda Roadster F (like I did so many times, that i cannot even remember!), you'll notice how fine is the thread, and how precise is the alignment.

Koenigsegg doesn't have the know-how Pagani has. That's a matter of fact.
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Old 29th September 2008, 02:11   #13
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Correct, you taught me about the violet unique CCX. Very unique.

Agreed, Pagani have better experince because they have been around longer with customer delivered cars.

Also, I noticed something interesting when reading Pagani Zonda F brochure: they have a close cooperation with a German engineering company:

Gemü GEMÜ - Worldwide - Germany

I wonder what exactly they are developing for Pagani? Maybe the majority of the car, or just parts? See their logo on the 2nd last page in the Pagani Zonda F brochure:

GEMÜ - Worldwide - Germany

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Old 29th September 2008, 19:56   #14
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Correct, you taught me about the violet unique CCX. Very unique.

Agreed, Pagani have better experince because they have been around longer with customer delivered cars.

Also, I noticed something interesting when reading Pagani Zonda F brochure: they have a close cooperation with a German engineering company:

Gemü GEMÜ - Worldwide - Germany

I wonder what exactly they are developing for Pagani? Maybe the majority of the car, or just parts? See their logo on the 2nd last page in the Pagani Zonda F brochure:

GEMÜ - Worldwide - Germany
I own the real Zonda F brochure.
Gemu supplies valves and some parts for the Zonda, and for some equipment of the Pagani factory (including open/shutdown valves for the cooking ovens).
MHG supplies the hydroformed exhaust system, and the inconel inlet and exhaust manifolds, again, totally hydroformed.
Dani Leather is no more the supplier for leather parts, recently they changed and now they refer to Schedoni.
ASPA makes the stamps for the carbonfiber parts.
CIMA makes the T907F gearbox (same company as for the CCX gearbox).

About Gemu, the owner has one of the most beautiful Zonda F ever built.
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Old 29th September 2008, 21:07   #15
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Very itnerestign facts, thak you! You are very knowledgable about the Zonda!

Talking about Zonda, thsi was beautiful as well! Pictures: stunning Pagani Zonda C12S

Can you tell more about the Gemu Zonda?

This is OT, we need to talk CCX
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Very itnerestign facts, thak you! You are very knowledgable about the Zonda!

Talking about Zonda, thsi was beautiful as well! Pictures: stunning Pagani Zonda C12S

Can you tell more about the Gemu Zonda?

This is OT, we need to talk CCX
Well, I can say I know EACH Zonda F ever produced. And I am "working" on old C12 and C12S too.
VIN number included.
Gemu Zonda F?

Well, THIS ONE (pics by me, outside the Pagani factory):


Nice, eh?

And sorry for the OT:p
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lol so?
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What I have heard is that Koenigsegg have polsihed the actual layers, but other (Italian) Supercarmanufacturers only put a layer above the paint...
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If you own and are driving this car, I think one of the last things you need to concern yourself with are the odo and tach.

That said, there appears to be a secondary digital readout under the analog style dials which are stunning.
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If you own and are driving this car, I think one of the last things you need to concern yourself with are the odo and tach.
Sorry thats my geek side coming out. I spent years designing automotive Instrument clusters, and I think I propobably would let it get to me .

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That said, there appears to be a secondary digital readout under the analog style dials which are stunning.
The dials you can see in the car shots looks like a standard Stacks unit Street-Race Dash Display Systems with integrated digital display directly below. Used by many performance manufacturers for very good 'functional' reasons. But that instrument binnacle is the 'real' one. The lit one is not in any of the actual shots of the car. Its must be a concept, it doesn't exist. {shrug}

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