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Old 16th August 2006, 00:30   #21
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I simply can't believe this is possible...the CHEAPEST car on there is probably the carolla, at what, 20K... that list is easily a thousand long and most of the cars are more like 100K. By my rough math that looks like a $500 million -- $1 billion dollar car collection (at least!!). Unless his 'family' includes the entire effin country of Brunei those aren't all his cars.

Could end world hunger by donating half the cars starting with R-Z
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Old 16th August 2006, 00:31   #22
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Thats such a waste of cars, give them to me
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Old 16th August 2006, 00:34   #23
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I'm sure he's only driven like five of them. I bet the gardeners and cooks are rolling around in Fezzas and Lambos. As a sidenote, those Ferrari 456 venice cars are ridiculous. I had never even heard of them!!
If the gardeners and cooks are driving around in his Lambos and Jags then who are driving the Corrolla's, Celica's, and Rav4's?
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Old 16th August 2006, 00:37   #24
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What? Stumbo, please tell us about the Java. We know it was prototypes, but never materialized. How was your job description for this etc? Interesting!
Christ, where do I start !!!

Ok, I dont know if this is what your after - this is ramble brain dump... sorry

for those that dont know, this was the original Java concept:
http://www.rrab.com/java.htm
If was greatly improved in styling from this.

Fresh outa university. Met a tiny company that had just won the contract to supply Instrument Clusters on this project to Muliner Park Ward (MPW), the bespoke vehicle division of Rolls Royce Bentley Motor Cars. They had seriously bitten off more than they could chew - well you gota get in there some how no ?

I picked it up from a very early prototype (seriously bad injection moulding - we were stuck with, hardly any sub-assemblies) and spent 2-3 years of my life on pretty well nothing esle - on my own on this project.

They ended up throwing more and more my way - like I wasn't busy enough . I remember some company doing the Air Con control units turned up with a box of PCBs.
>>MPW >> so where are the control units ?
>>Comp X>> you only old us to make the PCB !!
>>MPW >> DDDAAANNN help !!!!

Turned it around from zero design in 3 weeks, mouldings, graphics, back lighting, cool violin keys, rewired PCB etc etc.


Ok enough of that....

Heres the weird bit considering I've now got a 5 series and am posting this here.

The donnor cars were E34 540i's
  • Seriously stripped down.
  • The engines went to Cosworth who bored and twin turbo charged them.
  • Bespoke body
  • Floor pan modified
  • Bespoke running gear, transmission etc
  • Bespoke wiring loom by a mate from Chelmsford
  • 6 convertables
  • 6 Shooting Brakes (one aparenly is kept in London??)
  • 6 Coupes - with BLING wheels
  • Cars built by MGA in Warwick under instruction/management of MPW, there was too much fear of press finding out if they were built at Royce.
Mad times.

I recived the classic BMW Intrument Cluster and reverse engineered it to run mechanical odometer (Bentley insited) total new gages and layout basically bespoke from the PCB forward and a bespoke FCB I had to manually intergrate with the PCB.

Engineering the kit car way, hard work bull **** way. We had massively underquoted.



Memories ? - too manyyy
  • Me wiring in the back of the shooting brake, I notice the leather roof linging has a seem across from door to door, 3/4 of the way back from the windsreen. "Why is that seem there ?" Answer > "Because that is the maximum length of hide we can get off a cow"
  • I turned up at the factory in Crewe to work on a car in finishing. I had a Frequency Generator and tool box under one arm, and an Osciliscope under the other. Across the factory came the bloke to pick me up, in an Arnage - this was way before they were released - told me to chuck my stuff in the back. Osciliscope, Frequ Gen. sharp sharp metal corners hhm leather seats - NO WAY - I sat with them on my knees all the way back.
  • Asking for an early P700 mule because we had to test the speedo across its full speed range. Got it at Bruntingthorpe, but at 3am !!! BUT when it turned up (driven down - looked like a Mad Max 540i), along came a truck with one of the 1st Production cars. The big wigs went off in that, and I stayed and did donuts in the mule with the MGA engineers
  • I had to file off all BMW logos from anywhere. BMW knew though, we were getting the BMW software that even BMW uk dont have, you could do everything, but before you ask we sat and watched as all computers that had ever had the software on was crushed along with everything else off the cars that wasn't used.


I'll post some more stories on the Java sometime - tired - laters
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I know he keeps a lot of duplicates of cars so it's a little tougher to kill the f**ker. Imagine riding out in a posey of 50 bentleys

Ksssshh "Roger, you are clear for shot" Kssssh

Ksssh "Which vehicle sir? Over." Kracle...

Kssshhh "We think he's in the 34th Bentley. His housekeeper informed intelligence that the gardener told her that the chef brought some hummus out to the 34th bentley. Over."

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Old 16th August 2006, 00:42   #26
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I know he keeps a lot of duplicates of cars so it's a little tougher to kill the f**ker. Imagine riding out in a posey of 50 bentleys

Ksssshh "Roger, you are clear for shot" Kssssh

Ksssh "Which vehicle sir? Over." Kracle...

Kssshhh "We think he's in the 34th Bentley. His housekeeper informed intelligence that the gardener told her that the chef brought some hummus out to the 34th bentley. Over."

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I simply can't believe this is possible...the CHEAPEST car on there is probably the carolla, at what, 20K... that list is easily a thousand long and most of the cars are more like 100K. By my rough math that looks like a $500 million -- $1 billion dollar car collection (at least!!). Unless his 'family' includes the entire effin country of Brunei those aren't all his cars.

Could end world hunger by donating half the cars starting with R-Z
We never got a definite figure out of Rolls, but the common undersatnding on the project was that the Bentley Java was between £6 and £9 million pounds ...... EACH ........ and he bought 18.

There were 3 other bespoke projects running in parallel for him at Rolls at that time, all for 18 cars I beleive - even madder stuff than the Java.

We joked that it was probably a days oil reserve per car :p
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Old 16th August 2006, 00:46   #28
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He is a very good friend with another BMW M5 owner, car enthusiast and Swede:

The King of Sweden Carl Gustaf

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I should add that it was common knowledge that he may have been responsible for stoping Rolls / Bentley from going under.

AND THEREFORE AS AN ENGLISHMAN - I SALUTE HIM

At the time BMW was seriously courting RRBMC (Rolls Royce Bentley Motor Cars), hence the donar cars. And then VW stepped in and upset it.

Ever wondered why MPW stayed with Bentley not Rolls ?
MPW (bespokes) at the time was making more than Rolls & Bentley production PUT TOGETHER !!
Could it be that was a factor of what VW wanted ? The purse strings to a Bentleyphile ???


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....As a sidenote, those Ferrari 456 venice cars are ridiculous. I had never even heard of them!!
If the Venice was the Estate (Shooting Brake / Station wagon - whatever) this was the most beutiful estate I've ever seen.

Interestingly enough - also built by MPW - not Ferrari. Well Ferrari must have supplied the donnar - and given a seal of approval - but MPW are a coach builders after all, its what they've been doing for donkeys.
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