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Very cool info about the S65/CL65 AMG!

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Check this out: link

This is the press-release of the new S65/CL65. Very interesting information. A lot of new pics too!!

 
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:rolleyes: The S65 AMG :crying: The M5 will really be toast :crying:

Wouldn't a more appropriate designation be S60 AMG hmmm

0-200 km/h 13,3 s :1:

Ahhh...

The 2.6 km circuit is an exact replica of the short track at the Hockenheimring which developers have long regarded as the touchstone for judging a vehicle's handling, over/understeer characteristics and traction

It will be interesting to see its times on Hockenheims small citcuit then. My guess is its too heavy...
 
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It's depressing to me that they put all that engineering into the engine, then had to electronically limit the torque for the sake of other components (or for safety because the tires can't grip?).

My question is: How much more than 1000Nm would the thing put out with stronger tranny & driveline and a little chiptuning?

1200Nm? 1300? :eek:
 
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MWM said:
It's depressing to me that they put all that engineering into the engine, then had to electronically limit the torque for the sake of other components (or for safety because the tires can't grip?).

My question is: How much more than 1000Nm would the thing put out with stronger tranny & driveline and a little chiptuning?

1200Nm? 1300? :eek:
i think they just want to create a sporty-image by putting huge hp engines into there cars ...
 
#13 ·
E60 M5 with 550 would beat it...

If the new M5 has 550 horsepower, these MBs should not be a threat. The issue comes down to heavy weight and the ability of the car to put the power down.

Let's hope for the best.

I would really like to have the S65. What is the approximate price in dollars?
 
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It's not fair to compare any M5 to a CL or S class, E class is the direct competition, lets see how the new M5 will measure up and then wait for MB to respond, either way, we all win with better cars and more choices, I'm happy, I have another option, because, I really dislike the new BMW styles.
 
#19 ·
Wait till the E60 comes out and well see whos the king.... 0-100 in 4.4.... Motor trend estimated the E60 M5 at 3.9 seconds .... i think the next M5 shouldnt have a problem laying down atleast a 4.4 0-100 KMH time. But i could be wrong. As for top end though well have to wait and see
 
#20 ·
Maybe it's not all about power. For me, it mostly is. Caveat being reliable power.

I know in Apr '99 when I ordered my E39, the first thing in my head was the 400HP engine. Second was that it was 6-speed, third designed by M, and so on.

But first comes power. I guess that comes down to driving style --- I like to take advantage of "dislocations" in traffic, and frequently you need big power to do it gracefully without ruffling feathers. Or, more often in and around NYC, you need big power to do it brutally 'cause someone in his riced-out Civic is trying to keep me from getting by (like I'm really gonna get in his way when I'm 1/4 mile down the road a minute later).

Power is good. It buys you freedom in traffic.
 
#21 ·
Just an observation. I have been a member of the board for a while it occurred to me a while back that there are basically two types of owners of the E39 M5.

The first is the BMW M loyalist that enjoys the 400hp but got an M5 for the combination of handling, road feel and power. He most likely owned an M3 prior to getting the M5. He may track the car occasionally, considers himself a sports car guy, and thinks SUVs are large hunks of sheet metal with wheels that always seem to be in the way.

The second type of owner was attracted to the M5 mainly because it was the most powerful sedan on the planet at the time. He may never have owned a stick shift before let alone a BMW M car. He doesn't really think of himself so much as a sports car guy but more as a speed freak. To him it is all about the power. There is a good chance an SUV lurks in his garage

The two groups tend to view the horsepower war from a different perspective. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
#22 ·
Right on the money, Chet! I probably split the difference between your two extremes. Don't own an SUV and may never own one, but did have an E36 M3 prior to my E39.

Similarly, it was a combination of "fastest sedan" and "M car" that sold it for me. I think it's dangerous to be so loyal as to only buy BMWs or only buy German, whatever. You'll miss many a fine car with that outlook.

Example: I respect the Mitsu Evo VIII. Might even buy one. I probably have very little in common with the mainstream buyer of that car, but I don't buy cars as accessories or to align myself with a demographic (or to avoid aligning with some other demographic).

I just love to drive. A car that seems to sense your next desire on the road is what "drives" my enthusiasm. Whether BMW, Porsche, Mitsubishi, Chevrolet, or (ack!) Hyundai.
 
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#23 ·
Those new AMGs look nuttier than squirrel turds. M-B is starting to redefine the mistakes of the last muscle car era: Too much power for the chassis. No matter what BMW I have driven, the chassis and engine compliment eachother to almost perfection (318 4 door automatics aside). M-B seems to be stuffing more and more power into their cars, and then calming it down with electronics. Does your M5 become undrivable after DSC comes off? S class with 1000Nm, and autobox and all that wieght, in some corners stability control off kinda scares me...but then again, I dont have $220k to spend, so it will have to scare someone else:cheers:
 
#24 ·
Kain said:
People, it's not all about power! A car is about power, handling, braking, and the overall FEEL of the car. Mercedes-Benz is just a rocket-powered boat anchor!

Don't worry, BMW knows what it is doing. Do you really think BMW will let competitors take its "The Benchmark" image? No!
Kain - Jeez, calm down, no need to get all hot and flushed just because it looks like another car might be a threat to your beloved BMW..

Why not accept different cars for what they are? You laugh at the worse handling of Mercedes, while Mercedes drivers sit there laughing out loud to themselves at the bone-jarring ride quality of BMW M-cars.

They are different cars for different purposes (if only slightly different).

Oh wait, my mistake, I'm sure you've driven an AMG S-class and know the 'overall FEEL' is much worse than a BMW. But remember, for many a good 'overall FEEL' includes arriving at your destination with all your teeth intact, not bounced out..


Everyone else who said 'ooh its got too much power' - would you be saying that if it was a BMW?
Probably not, because you all know that only BMW can make a good car with lots of horsepower, right?


respect where it's due


Russ
 
#25 ·
pentoman said:

Why not accept different cars for what they are? You laugh at the worse handling of Mercedes, while Mercedes drivers sit there laughing out loud to themselves at the bone-jarring ride quality of BMW M-cars.

Oh wait, my mistake, I'm sure you've driven an AMG S-class and know the 'overall FEEL' is much worse than a BMW. But remember, for many a good 'overall FEEL' includes arriving at your destination with all your teeth intact, not bounced out..
If you read the posts in this thread it seems to me like most people here like the S65/CL65 very much including me, I love these cars. So I don´t really know why you seem to be "upset".

And if you call the M5´s ride bone-jarring I wonder if you have driven a standard M5 at all? And if so, you must be very sensitive.
 
#26 ·
**** shame

You guys talk about MB cars like they are Fords that people die in when the tires pop. These cars are on the same team, BMW would have never stepped up there game if it wasnt for the 450se 6.9 liter that Mercedes created in the late 70's and plenty of cars before that. Talk all you want about how horrible the cars are but bottom line if you know what the deal is, BMW has just within the last 20 yrs stepped up to be able to compare with Mercedes and still doesnt have all problems worked out (neither does MB). Say what you want about the 65 model cars and how they could make more power if they had better drivetrain when they drop these cars this year they will be better than any 7 or 6 series model in the same segment. I forgot there is no 7 series in that segment, anyone know why? because they wont sell em and cant afford to build a car like that when mercedes has been taking all the marketshare for full size sedans and coupes for the last 35 yrs solid, why do you think the 6 series failed and the 8 series was dropped? meanwhile you have bmw's going in the shop for all types of mistakes that dont happen with MB. How many of you had your m5 in the shop for some type of mechanical failure, vanos, valve covers, clutch, so on and so on? I love BMW but only because I loved Mercedes first and understand that BMW takes the cake for the sporty side of things from Germany and Mercedes the effortless speed and cruising ability in the lap of luxury. I hear people talking about how much of a cop out mb has chosen by turboing or supercharging when Bently has used turbos on most of the recent entries. Why did BMW even purchase RR? so they can have a chance at changing image and there reputation towards producing a car to best the S class. So when the talks of purchase were going down at BMW, Mercedes went to finish the design of the Maybach, Now people know that MB is making competition, if BMW sells alot of Rolls Royce's at least they owned the market segment for at least two years from there perspective. Everyone knows an S class is the car to have in the full size market segment, a 760li versus a S600LWB? acceleration, comfort, tied, resale value, longevity? advantage benz. at least that is what is thought buy most of the purchasers who know of BMW's past failures in that area. No question but if they build a Rolls that can best the maybach, they may be able to build a 7 to compete also, they are trying to change the minds of those who have been around long enough to know, not those who like the cars from the last 10-15 years. thats the marketing behind all of this, point being they are playing catch up in german motoring, have been and will for a while, so many wont even test drive the 760 who drive Mercedes, why do you think they changed to idrive? because the mercedes command has been praised since introduction as a great system, look at the past, I mean when the 450 6.9 came out it was praised as the "world's best sedan" BMW had to stay competing with what finally came out to be the 750il of the mid 80's but when there warranty was up they're were cars that were plagued with problems and way to expensive to fix for what they were worth. look at resale values of older models? I mean now bmw has put out cars of the same class same build quality. in regard to the kompressor models superchargers have been in mb's closet for nearly 80 years and used for the last 5-7. know what your talking about before you open your mouth, you run the risk of losing all respect of your automotive word, we all know bmws handle like a sports car would and should, but we all dont want that MB cars the best cars of another world. buy downtalking a great auto producer without the likes of which we would never experience the great quality of cars we know this day and age by both Mercedes and BMW as well as others. Buy the way after they drop both of those cars the cl and sl 65 theyre is a 7sp auto which will be fitted to all amg cars of the next generation as well as stroker motors of 6.3 liters and above for all the people who love normal aspiration, it only gets better from here out, something tells me those 7sp autoboxes will handle more than 1200nm of torque. I still want to see some manual trans vehicles. "Game recognizes Game, ho*s do too." Jay-z:hihi: :thumbsup: :cheers: :haha2:
 
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