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You guys talk about MB cars like they are Fords that people die in when the tires pop. These cars are on the same team, BMW would have never stepped up there game if it wasnt for the 450se 6.9 liter that Mercedes created in the late 70's and plenty of cars before that. Talk all you want about how horrible the cars are but bottom line if you know what the deal is, BMW has just within the last 20 yrs stepped up to be able to compare with Mercedes and still doesnt have all problems worked out (neither does MB). Say what you want about the 65 model cars and how they could make more power if they had better drivetrain when they drop these cars this year they will be better than any 7 or 6 series model in the same segment. I forgot there is no 7 series in that segment, anyone know why? because they wont sell em and cant afford to build a car like that when mercedes has been taking all the marketshare for full size sedans and coupes for the last 35 yrs solid, why do you think the 6 series failed and the 8 series was dropped? meanwhile you have bmw's going in the shop for all types of mistakes that dont happen with MB. How many of you had your m5 in the shop for some type of mechanical failure, vanos, valve covers, clutch, so on and so on? I love BMW but only because I loved Mercedes first and understand that BMW takes the cake for the sporty side of things from Germany and Mercedes the effortless speed and cruising ability in the lap of luxury. I hear people talking about how much of a cop out mb has chosen by turboing or supercharging when Bently has used turbos on most of the recent entries. Why did BMW even purchase RR? so they can have a chance at changing image and there reputation towards producing a car to best the S class. So when the talks of purchase were going down at BMW, Mercedes went to finish the design of the Maybach, Now people know that MB is making competition, if BMW sells alot of Rolls Royce's at least they owned the market segment for at least two years from there perspective. Everyone knows an S class is the car to have in the full size market segment, a 760li versus a S600LWB? acceleration, comfort, tied, resale value, longevity? advantage benz. at least that is what is thought buy most of the purchasers who know of BMW's past failures in that area. No question but if they build a Rolls that can best the maybach, they may be able to build a 7 to compete also, they are trying to change the minds of those who have been around long enough to know, not those who like the cars from the last 10-15 years. thats the marketing behind all of this, point being they are playing catch up in german motoring, have been and will for a while, so many wont even test drive the 760 who drive Mercedes, why do you think they changed to idrive? because the mercedes command has been praised since introduction as a great system, look at the past, I mean when the 450 6.9 came out it was praised as the "world's best sedan" BMW had to stay competing with what finally came out to be the 750il of the mid 80's but when there warranty was up they're were cars that were plagued with problems and way to expensive to fix for what they were worth. look at resale values of older models? I mean now bmw has put out cars of the same class same build quality. in regard to the kompressor models superchargers have been in mb's closet for nearly 80 years and used for the last 5-7. know what your talking about before you open your mouth, you run the risk of losing all respect of your automotive word, we all know bmws handle like a sports car would and should, but we all dont want that MB cars the best cars of another world. buy downtalking a great auto producer without the likes of which we would never experience the great quality of cars we know this day and age by both Mercedes and BMW as well as others. Buy the way after they drop both of those cars the cl and sl 65 theyre is a 7sp auto which will be fitted to all amg cars of the next generation as well as stroker motors of 6.3 liters and above for all the people who love normal aspiration, it only gets better from here out, something tells me those 7sp autoboxes will handle more than 1200nm of torque. I still want to see some manual trans vehicles. "Game recognizes Game, ho*s do too." Jay-z:hihi: :thumbsup: :cheers: :haha2: