What did you expect.. this is the M5board.. just like you find objectivity about Audi on the Audi boards..
Is the F10 M fast.. yes.. leader in it's class..yes.. remember Gustav did not do LC.. with LC i expect even faster.. all this without tune in a car almost 4300lbs.. This car will best similar class cars from Audi and Merc.. that is enough for most..
Lc should not affect speeds between 100-200kmh specialy if you launtch it from a stand still.
Leader in it's class should first be proven i guess, we will see if he tracks faster than the panamera turbo/s.
Getting a bit in more details the 100-200kmh time with 8,6 sec is not fantastic at all. Like i side sport auto had the cls with pp (557) hp with 8,3 secs.
OK lets take the time between 160-200kmh from Gustavs log. =4,6 secs, thats about almost 1 sec slower than a 458, gt2, or gallardo (ok this are true sportcars, but we have a tread were people quoting that the m5 could be faster than those cares "lp560")
Since we know that the long 7the gear will be a fuel saving gear, long ratio, you can hardly expect that the m5 would keeping up with the cars mentioned above on higher speed (or even gaining ground).
Again the cls 63 pp had a 4,2 (2 person, full fuel load) for those 160-200 (will try to uplaod the test of Sport auto)
I am pretty sure that strightline, the mercs and specialy the lighter e 63 amg will be as fast, than the m5
I speak about the cares equiped with the performance packige (800nm and 557hp, and lighter kurb wight)
So lets see the battles on the airfield
(ah and not to forget a 5,5 liter v8 biturbo has more potential on tuning than a 4,4 liter v8 biturbo...)
Lc should not affect speeds between 100-200kmh specialy if you launtch it from a stand still.
Leader in it's class should first be proven i guess, we will see if he tracks faster than the panamera turbo/s.
Getting a bit in more details the 100-200kmh time with 8,6 sec is not fantastic at all. Like i side sport auto had the cls with pp (557) hp with 8,3 secs.
OK lets take the time between 160-200kmh from Gustavs log. =4,6 secs, thats about almost 1 sec slower than a 458, gt2, or gallardo (ok this are true sportcars, but we have a tread were people quoting that the m5 could be faster than those cares "lp560")
Since we know that the long 7the gear will be a fuel saving gear, long ratio, you can hardly expect that the m5 would keeping up with the cars mentioned above on higher speed (or even gaining ground).
Again the cls 63 pp had a 4,2 (2 person, full fuel load) for those 160-200 (will try to uplaod the test of Sport auto)
I am pretty sure that strightline, the mercs and specialy the lighter e 63 amg will be as fast, than the m5
I speak about the cares equiped with the performance packige (800nm and 557hp, and lighter kurb wight)
So lets see the battles on the airfield
(ah and not to forget a 5,5 liter v8 biturbo has more potential on tuning than a 4,4 liter v8 biturbo...)
Only time will really tell...but I am 99% certain that the new F10 M5 will be as fast or faster than it's competitors. The articles have already said it's faster than the E63 AMG which is it's direct competitor (not the CLS). These companies arent dumb, they know the performance benchmarks and I'm sure the people at the M Division are well aware of how fast the car needs to be, to be a class leader.
As for being as fast as a 458, GT2 or even an LP560...come on, really!? Those are all cars with the same or more power, yet they weigh 500-1000lbs lighter...There is NO comparison there, nor should there be. If the M5 can hang with them in a straight line over 100mph, great, if not, who cares. Totally different cars, totally different PURPOSES.
I highly doubt the new M5 will be a disappointment. Sure it's heavier...but it seems better in every other way, even comfort and fit and finish! Quite and accomplishment. The best part is, there are a lot of great 4 door sedan super cars to choose from these days...the beauty of competition...which began with the original M5
Keep in mind these where ony one run ,I have more. And this was in over 29 degrees Celsius heat as well!
Also, except the Panamera Turbo and Turbo S the M5 has Double Clutch which do huge gaisn for performance.
Gustav
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Only time will really tell...but I am 99% certain that the new F10 M5 will be as fast or faster than it's competitors. The articles have already said it's faster than the E63 AMG which is it's direct competitor (not the CLS). These companies arent dumb, they know the performance benchmarks and I'm sure the people at the M Division are well aware of how fast the car needs to be, to be a class leader.
As for being as fast as a 458, GT2 or even an LP560...come on, really!? Those are all cars with the same or more power, yet they weigh 500-1000lbs lighter...There is NO comparison there, nor should there be. If the M5 can hang with them in a straight line over 100mph, great, if not, who cares. Totally different cars, totally different PURPOSES.
I highly doubt the new M5 will be a disappointment. Sure it's heavier...but it seems better in every other way, even comfort and fit and finish! Quite and accomplishment. The best part is, there are a lot of great 4 door sedan super cars to choose from these days...the beauty of competition...which began with the original M5
If the F10 were to be anything like the E60 (very close in straightline performance compared to last generation supersports cars), it should be relatively close in straightline to the Ferrari and lamborghini.
As for being as fast as a 458, GT2 or even an LP560...come on, really!? Those are all cars with the same or more power, yet they weigh 500-1000lbs lighter...There is NO comparison there, nor should there be. If the M5 can hang with them in a straight line over 100mph, great, if not, who cares. Totally different cars, totally different PURPOSES.
Completly agree with you on that, i did mentioned it, because in other treads people tought that the f10 can compete with the lp560 458 or gt2 (strightline) And that, i think wouldnt be the case as all those cars are 0-300 somewhere around 33 secs. m5e60 needed about 50 (m6 45 secs, Sport auto) for that. (it is quit likely that a 50 ps hp gain wouldnt make a 17 secs up to 300kmh, even with a superfast double clutch...
Nevertheless, i will also test drive (as soon as possible) the new m5 and maybee put it next to my gt2....
Looking forward for the first real test and supertest..
Thanks Gustav -- Please post more PBox / VBox data -- believe you are the first to show comprehensive and verified performance data. Lets show more of what you have over multiple runs ! And to the Vmax that you took it, not just 200 kph !!
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... And also keep in mind that when he testdrove the car, it was in quite warm and hot conditions. I remember how cold weather temperatures FAVOR turbocharged vehicles....
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Keep in mind these where ony one run ,I have more. And this was in over 29 degrees Celsius heat as well!
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Was doing multiple laps in over 34 degrees Celsius at Sepang F1 circuit in the old E60. So yes -- performance in the heat does matter ... A lot
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If the F10 were to be anything like the E60 (very close in straightline performance compared to last generation supersports cars), it should be relatively close in straightline to the Ferrari and lamborghini.
Once again, I'll wait for GTboard runs.
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Completly agree with you on that, i did mentioned it, because in other treads people tought that the f10 can compete with the lp560 458 or gt2 (strightline) And that, i think wouldnt be the case as all those cars are 0-300 somewhere around 33 secs. m5e60 needed about 50 (m6 45 secs, Sport auto) for that. (it is quit likely that a 50 ps hp gain wouldnt make a 17 secs up to 300kmh, even with a superfast double clutch...
Nevertheless, i will also test drive (as soon as possible) the new m5 and maybee put it next to my gt2....
Looking forward for the first real test and supertest..
Agree -- search is your friend -- M5 E60 was being compared to F430 and Gallardos, not by fanboys, but by Autocar and EVO -- and holding its own
So the benchmark is F10 M5 is F458 and LP570 etc. But unfortunately, looking at the data Gustav posted, clearly while BMW made the F10 M5 faster vs. its predecessor, it is nowhere near sportscars of its generation (unlike the E60 M5). And looks like most of the gains are from a standing start and up to 160 kph ? Above 160 kph both cars relatively even or even E60 have an edge -- BMW M5 (E60) lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com ??
So it seems whatever cars the E60 M5 can beat, the F10 M5 obviously can. But whatever cars the E60 M5 cannot beat, neither can the F10 M5
So a tradeoff between a relatively faster more fuel economical M5 vs. a better sounding more edger older sister.
Time for the airfield runs to settle it once and for all
So it seems whatever cars the E60 M5 can beat, the F10 M5 obviously can. But whatever cars the E60 M5 cannot beat, neither can the F10 M5
So a tradeoff between a relatively faster more fuel economical M5 vs. a better sounding more edger older sister.
Time for the airfield runs to settle it once and for all
the question is more how long is the 7the gear of the f10. But i still think the f10 is about 5-7 secs quiker to 300kmh than the e60.
I would say around 43-45 secs. (just speculation, taken in mind the extra boost and the double clutch.
Comparing up to 300kmh sls around 40 secs, 911 pdk turbo about 40 secs, turbo s somewhere 38 secs rs6 mtm 730ps around 35 secs, zr1 around 35 secs..
the question is more how long is the 7the gear of the f10. But i still think the f10 is about 5-7 secs quiker to 300kmh than the e60.
I would say around 43-45 secs. (just speculation, taken in mind the extra boost and the double clutch.
Comparing up to 300kmh sls around 40 secs, 911 pdk turbo about 40 secs, turbo s somewhere 38 secs rs6 mtm 730ps around 35 secs, zr1 around 35 secs..
Gustav any imputs..
Yes -- would be very interested to know 0 to 300 kph for the F10 and E60 for comparison purposes. And will it top the E60 top speed of 205 mph ?
M5Board moderator Scoopz had Pbox data of 0 to 274 kph in 30.2s for stock E60 M5 -- Video: Nardo top speed test, so even the old warbird should do 43-45s to 300 kph already, like what you previously estimate.
So the F10 would need to be low or sub 40s to safely beat ....
Yes -- would be very interested to know 0 to 300 kph for the F10 and E60 for comparison purposes. And will it top the E60 top speed of 205 mph ?
M5Board moderator Scoopz had Pbox data of 0 to 274 kph in 30.2s for stock E60 M5 -- Video: Nardo top speed test, so even the old warbird should do 43-45s to 300 kph already, like what you previously estimate.
So the F10 would need to be low or sub 40s to safely beat ....
m6 was on sport auto test around 43 secs (0-300-0, without braking), m5 had in an other one (think ams will try to scan) around 50 secs.
If i remember well on my m5 e60 7th gear started around 272kmh, and it was quit slow.
If your time would be correct for the m5 e60, the m5 e60 would be as fast as the wiesmann mf5, with 550 hp v10 but just about 1400kg, needed up to 300kmh 42 secs........ (but his 0-200kmh time was 11,1 secs... last sport auto test 0-300-0 kmh...
So i also doubt that the m5f10 would get the wiesmann mf5
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