Why is the Mercedes E63 AMG BiTurbo lighter than the BMW M5 F10?

Gustav · 17th June 2011, 02:37

Becuase the double clutch? or just a smaller car?

95 kg difference?

SoS SWATxV2 · 17th June 2011, 04:38

I cannot believe it... The day that BMW's competition actually made a LIGHTER car. This should be reversed or be around the same..NOT having Mercedes being the LIGHTER one here. Wow...

Bones · 17th June 2011, 06:49

I believe the E39 M5 weighed more than the W210 E55

johnbmw6 · 17th June 2011, 10:03

it would seem Mercedes have "finally" got the measure of BMW, both power and weight wise

sad day, they will get sales from BMW no doubt.

stominovich · 17th June 2011, 12:27

I thought they really would have made an effort to lighten the load. Not so...

areout · 17th June 2011, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Bones

I believe the E39 M5 weighed more than the W210 E55

yes but it had 15% more power..which is not the case now

gh342000 · 22nd June 2011, 18:28

I currently own a 2010 Merc E63 (not the biturbo but a 6.3) which is 10kg heavier than my last E60 M5. The Merc feels 1000 lbs heavier than the E60. I don't think weight is the ultimate baseline. I think BMW's really mask their weight because the driving dynamics are so much better than say a Mercedes.

verbs · 22nd June 2011, 19:45

For starters, the BMW is about 20mm longer, 20mm wider, and 15mm taller. The mercedes also has much smaller brakes at 14.2" front and back vs. what, 15.7"/15.6" on the BMW with 6 piston calipers front and back (Merc has 4 piston on back). The BMW also has slightly wider tires (barely), but it all adds up. Features and amenities on each makes a difference as well and could contribute to more weight on the BMW, not sure.

cosioboy · 26th June 2011, 05:36

Are both measured with the driver? I believe BMW quotes their figures with a 75kg driver, is MB does not, that may be the difference right there

avlnch · 26th June 2011, 05:56

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Originally Posted by "gh342000"[/QUOTE

I currently own a 2010 Merc E63 (not the biturbo but a 6.3) which is 10kg heavier than my last E60 M5. The Merc feels 1000 lbs heavier than the E60. I don't think weight is the ultimate baseline. I think BMW's really mask their weight because the driving dynamics are so much better than say a Mercedes.

I say this as a current owner of S65 and M5.
As mentioned above, Mercedes AMG is a great vehicle.. well designed, attractive, very powerful, etc. However, AMG simply -cannot- match the driving characteristics of BMW M. The M is much more agile, and I agree that AMG even if lighter, feels much heavier. The driving dynamics vary and M takes the win. I still enjoy the comfort and power of AMG.. but always eventually (4-5 weeks) really want to be back behind my M.