I think the term underwhelmed is a good term. I'm not pissed-off about the car, but it definitely hasn't made me say, "yep, put me on the list." A few things I've noticed. The weight, my God, the weight! Very heavy! The fuel tank. Did BMW learn nothing from the E60? That was one of my biggest complaints, and many others felt the same way too. 14.5 gallons is not big enough. The fun car I drive now has a 23.5 gallon tank and it makes perfect sense for a car that gets pitiful gas mileage. The E60 always reminded me of an F14. Take off from the aircraft carrier, circle once, refuel. These are the things that underwhelm me. I love the look. I think the power is probably under-rated a little. And it's going to scream bloody murder. I worry about how tossible it is being that heavy though. And I wonder if I can get from Colorado Springs to Denver without having to refuel 2 times each way. I'm now on hold for trying to get one of the first ones. I think I will ultimately still get one, but I am going to be curious how the car does against some of the competition, as well as how much better it will be than the 550Xi I am now driving as a daily. One other thing, does anybody know anything about the rear brakes? I saw that the fronts are 6-piston and am so happy about that, but I didn't see anything on the rear. Ceramics would have been a nice option. :-)
I think the term underwhelmed is a good term. I'm not pissed-off about the car, but it definitely hasn't made me say, "yep, put me on the list." A few things I've noticed. The weight, my God, the weight! Very heavy! The fuel tank. Did BMW learn nothing from the E60? That was one of my biggest complaints, and many others felt the same way too. 14.5 gallons is not big enough. The fun car I drive now has a 23.5 gallon tank and it makes perfect sense for a car that gets pitiful gas mileage. The E60 always reminded me of an F14. Take off from the aircraft carrier, circle once, refuel. These are the things that underwhelm me. I love the look. I think the power is probably under-rated a little. And it's going to scream bloody murder. I worry about how tossible it is being that heavy though. And I wonder if I can get from Colorado Springs to Denver without having to refuel 2 times each way. I'm now on hold for trying to get one of the first ones. I think I will ultimately still get one, but I am going to be curious how the car does against some of the competition, as well as how much better it will be than the 550Xi I am now driving as a daily. One other thing, does anybody know anything about the rear brakes? I saw that the fronts are 6-piston and am so happy about that, but I didn't see anything on the rear. Ceramics would have been a nice option. :-)
I agree they should have put a bigger tank in it...BUT, keep in mind that it does get 30% better fuel economy. They are saying 24-25mpg's which is impressive and would make the 15 gallon (plus reserve) tank not too bad. If it can consistently get 300mi + per tank, then I think it's fine. BUT agree it shoulda been 3-5 gallons more. As for handling, it might be heavier, but I'm sure it handles better. We'll see...Looks nice though.
Am I missing something or did it say in the spec sheet something about regenerative breaking?!
Yes it has regenerative braking as part of the efficient dynamics development.
Wow, I didn't see that it's only got a 14.5 Gallon gas tank! Like many, I can't believe this is way smaller than even the E60's. Although it is 30% more fuel efficient, they should have at least put a 19.0 Gallon Fuel tank in it, just to be able to say "Yeah it's got a bigger tank than the E60." Plus imagine the range you could have with a 19.0 Gallon Fuel Tank and 30% better gas milage! Besides, the F10 is a bigger car, what the heck did they do with all that extra space?! 14.5 gallons, really?!
Also just to clarify, RPi Stage 2 does not have a Stroker Engine. Only Dinan makes that, and I've never heard somebody getting the 5.7L stroker engine for an E60 M5 and putting every bolt on mod that RPi offers.
Eloy at RPi can tell you that he's seen RPi Stage 2 M5's achieve 3.8 0-60 times and like 12.0 second quarter mile times. If you don't take my word for it, take his. I'm just saying I hope that the F10 will be able to beat an E60 in any form whether it is stock for stock or with mods, otherwise, what would be the point of getting the F10.
Like many I definitely feel underwhelmed. Maybe I expected too much, but I don't know. The M5 has ALWAYS been the benchmark of performance in the Sport Sedan segment. I'm not saying that the new F10 isn't going to set the benchmark again, I'm just saying so far on paper it doesn't look like it, and that is disappointing. I hope I am proved wrong.
On another note, I guess there is no KERS or Active Aerodynamics, as was rumored while it was still in development. This is disappointing as well.
Yes it has regenerative braking as part of the efficient dynamics development.
Wow, I didn't see that it's only got a 14.5 Gallon gas tank! Like many, I can't believe this is way smaller than even the E60's. Although it is 30% more fuel efficient, they should have at least put a 19.0 Gallon Fuel tank in it, just to be able to say "Yeah it's got a bigger tank than the E60." Plus imagine the range you could have with a 19.0 Gallon Fuel Tank and 30% better gas milage! Besides, the F10 is a bigger car, what the heck did they do with all that extra space?! 14.5 gallons, really?!
Huh? I see 80 litres on the spec sheet for fuel, which is about 21 gallons - much bigger than the E60 18.6 gal.
Huh? I see 80 litres on the spec sheet for fuel, which is about 21 gallons - much bigger than the E60 18.6 gal.
I apologize. You are right. I thought I saw 55 liter, which is 14.529 gallons. 80 liters is 21.13 gallons. Sorry about that. So now, how to get the weight down?
Also just to clarify, RPi Stage 2 does not have a Stroker Engine. Only Dinan makes that, and I've never heard somebody getting the 5.7L stroker engine for an E60 M5 and putting every bolt on mod that RPi offers.
Eloy at RPi can tell you that he's seen RPi Stage 2 M5's achieve 3.8 0-60 times and like 12.0 second quarter mile times. If you don't take my word for it, take his. I'm just saying I hope that the F10 will be able to beat an E60 in any form whether it is stock for stock or with mods, otherwise, what would be the point of getting the F10.
Yup, I know the difference between the 2. The stroker is a 5.8L with 625-630 and 475-480tq and is incredible...but also costs an incredible amount. The RPi stage is also excellent from what I hear, esp. the headers (lol), and it's also fairly expensive, although cheap compared to the stroker.
My comment was based on me being surprised, not that Eloy is fibbing, because I believe him to be an upstanding guy, esp. after spending some time with him. Great guy, great products. What I was saying was that strokers generally lay down 3.8s 0-60 times...and they have alot more power and tq...What's hard for me is that we are talking about taking .4 to .5 seconds off of a 0-60 with only bolt on RPi mods...seems very impressive that's all.
In my opinion I think the new F10 will have performance VERY similar to the e60 stroker...yet it's doing it with 50-70hp LESS, slighly more tq and heavier. Impressive. Technology for ya.
Yup, I know the difference between the 2. The stroker is a 5.8L with 625-630 and 475-480tq and is incredible...but also costs an incredible amount. The RPi stage is also excellent from what I hear, esp. the headers (lol), and it's also fairly expensive, although cheap compared to the stroker.
My comment was based on me being surprised, not that Eloy is fibbing, because I believe him to be an upstanding guy, esp. after spending some time with him. Great guy, great products. What I was saying was that strokers generally lay down 3.8s 0-60 times...and they have alot more power and tq...What's hard for me is that we are talking about taking .4 to .5 seconds off of a 0-60 with only bolt on RPi mods...seems very impressive that's all.
In my opinion I think the new F10 will have performance VERY similar to the e60 stroker...yet it's doing it with 50-70hp LESS, slighly more tq and heavier. Impressive. Technology for ya.
Ah, I see what your'e saying now. I hope you're right. I hope that this NEW technology will be able to impress us with DINAN Stroker like performance. I for one am not buying the press released 4.4 0-60 time. I do think it will be faster, especially after reading the specifics on the new technological Active ///M Differential that's never been in any ///M car before. All I can say is the my M5's 440 - 450 Tq with RPi mods is simply AMAZING, so I almost can't imagine what 502 Tq or more is going to feel like. Well I have driven the CTS-V before with it's 556Tq, but I don't think we'll be able to compare the two.
I apologize. You are right. I thought I saw 55 liter, which is 14.529 gallons. 80 liters is 21.13 gallons. Sorry about that. So now, how to get the weight down?
Oh ok, 21 Gallons is very good then. Whew, I was worried for a minute there. That's very good.
Yes it has regenerative braking as part of the efficient dynamics development.
Wow, I didn't see that it's only got a 14.5 Gallon gas tank! Like many, I can't believe this is way smaller than even the E60's. Although it is 30% more fuel efficient, they should have at least put a 19.0 Gallon Fuel tank in it, just to be able to say "Yeah it's got a bigger tank than the E60." Plus imagine the range you could have with a 19.0 Gallon Fuel Tank and 30% better gas milage! Besides, the F10 is a bigger car, what the heck did they do with all that extra space?! 14.5 gallons, really?!
Also just to clarify, RPi Stage 2 does not have a Stroker Engine. Only Dinan makes that, and I've never heard somebody getting the 5.7L stroker engine for an E60 M5 and putting every bolt on mod that RPi offers.
Eloy at RPi can tell you that he's seen RPi Stage 2 M5's achieve 3.8 0-60 times and like 12.0 second quarter mile times. If you don't take my word for it, take his. I'm just saying I hope that the F10 will be able to beat an E60 in any form whether it is stock for stock or with mods, otherwise, what would be the point of getting the F10.
Like many I definitely feel underwhelmed. Maybe I expected too much, but I don't know. The M5 has ALWAYS been the benchmark of performance in the Sport Sedan segment. I'm not saying that the new F10 isn't going to set the benchmark again, I'm just saying so far on paper it doesn't look like it, and that is disappointing. I hope I am proved wrong.
On another note, I guess there is no KERS or Active Aerodynamics, as was rumored while it was still in development. This is disappointing as well.
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