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Old 12th March 2011, 05:50   #111
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M cars generally have more drag.
Yes and just because of that I think difference should be less(remember both cars we compare are Ms)..

Didn't pay attention on heat soaking really..I doubt it would be a problem on a first few runs where times are usually measured.
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Red button is for emergency kill switch of the engine on preproduction prototypes for testing purposes.
Oh, I thought maybe they had moved the clown nose
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Alright...just what the heck are you people smoking? A "private company"? Did you even bother going to their Web site?

BMW Group

typically a private company won't have a stock-price ticker graph with the label "Common Stock" unless they are in fact a publicly traded company. Or, did you mean "public" as in held in trust by the public (aka government)?

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I wouldn't be too sure about shaving the weight off somewhere else.
Each generation is way heavier than the next. I dont think this would be much different especially given all the gadgets that will probably be inside it. But somehow... bmw always manages to make it not feel heavier...
Pretty sure the E60 is in fact lighter than the E39 ? Could b wrong ?

E60 uses a lot of Al' components and panels
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Pretty sure the E60 is in fact lighter than the E39 ? Could b wrong ?

E60 uses a lot of Al' components and panels
Here are the facts, so the new model is heavier like it often seems to be..
However 60kg's is not a big difference as power went up 107hp. 400->507

E60: Unladen weight EU kg1,855
E39: 1,795kg

For the new M5 model, output engine power from factory must (not should) be at least 93hp more to be the "new M" monstre of 4-door street cars, ie. 600hp. 60hp is nothing. Whatever the torque is, the sound is very very poor at least on the video. It is almost exactly like Subaru.. The V10 configuration is far more an "M-style" engine than the new "turbo-tuned-chipped" 8 and no matter what the output is.

Well that is the real world, everything will be more and more boring all the time with new cars. Including the gear box. Nothin beats the real manual where the driver is in control and not the stupid computer. Track driving might be/is faster with these new gadgets but feeling is completely lost. So, no matter if it would have been a real automatic, or dual clutch robot. Maybe a normal automatic would be better. There is the torque converter etc to bring out even more torq to wheels from stop.

All this commercial hype just increases the price and does not bring more fun or power to rear wheels. When making a new M5 or especially M6 a high revving V10 or V12 it should be, even with turbos if necessary but I would actually prefer a belt driven charger like G-power etc.

BMW clearly increases to focus in producing the cars more for the "masses", not for the real enthusiasts.

About the looks, it looks like ordinary street "5" BMW, nothing special. I really hope that they can make the new M6 look special to differ from all these 4-door "taxis".

Though German cars all look pretty boring compared to Italian for example. Maybe Porsche is somewhat original but even they had to stick with the "retro" and not be able to create good looking "new design" cars. Best example of this problem is the disastrously horrible Panamera, where the tail has kind of chopped off. Maybe eyes get used to but I doubt. 911 is a beauty.

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oh, and BMW is a privately owned company. no share holders to answer to. last time i checked anyway. anyone bought any BMW stock lately?
It is my understanding that BMW is a publicly traded company. However, the majority stake is held by the Quandt family.
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i like the new sound of the V8 and the total design of the cars but i would like BMW to give us a 6 speed Manual gearbox for whos interested.
i have a question what about the price of this M5?
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Have you driven the M3 Double clutch? That is a very fun car and that is not uninvolving, you could say is alot more refined and suitable for everyday driving. with also the benefit of lower consumption than the manual version.


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Here are the facts, so the new model is heavier like it often seems to be..
However 60kg's is not a big difference as power went up 107hp. 400->507

E60: Unladen weight EU kg1,855
E39: 1,795kg

For the new M5 model, output engine power from factory must (not should) be at least 93hp more to be the "new M" monstre of 4-door street cars, ie. 600hp. 60hp is nothing. Whatever the torque is, the sound is very very poor at least on the video. It is almost exactly like Subaru.. The V10 configuration is far more an "M-style" engine than the new "turbo-tuned-chipped" 8 and no matter what the output is.

Well that is the real world, everything will be more and more boring all the time with new cars. Including the gear box. Nothin beats the real manual where the driver is in control and not the stupid computer. Track driving might be/is faster with these new gadgets but feeling is completely lost. So, no matter if it would have been a real automatic, or dual clutch robot. Maybe a normal automatic would be better. There is the torque converter etc to bring out even more torq to wheels from stop.

All this commercial hype just increases the price and does not bring more fun or power to rear wheels. When making a new M5 or especially M6 a high revving V10 or V12 it should be, even with turbos if necessary but I would actually prefer a belt driven charger like G-power etc.

BMW clearly increases to focus in producing the cars more for the "masses", not for the real enthusiasts.

About the looks, it looks like ordinary street "5" BMW, nothing special. I really hope that they can make the new M6 look special to differ from all these 4-door "taxis".

Though German cars all look pretty boring compared to Italian for example. Maybe Porsche is somewhat original but even they had to stick with the "retro" and not be able to create good looking "new design" cars. Best example of this problem is the disastrously horrible Panamera, where the tail has kind of chopped off. Maybe eyes get used to but I doubt. 911 is a beauty.
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