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[Winding Road] Article on all 4 generations of M5

kees — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:55:04 GMT

Great article with a test of all 4 generations of M5 on the N�rburgring with guest appearances of the M635CSi & M1.

Winding Road Magazine | Issue 52

Worthwhile reading!

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E28 M5 Individual story ?

Stasis M535i — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:55:14 GMT

Hello,

As I know around the end of e28 production time it was possible to order individual M5 like special colors, etc. I have seen a picture from a garage with such a individual m5 couple of years ago.

I would like to ask if you have any information about this individual program. I am interested in:

- when this m5 individual program started ?
- was it only for m5 ? (what about other e28 cars, m6, 323i, etc)
- what was the full list of the individual equipments ?
- how much has such a individual m5 costed ?
- are there any periodic magazine article or e28 brochure discuss this individual e28 m5 serie ?

Thank you for your answer.

Fuel supply problem?

Blackfox — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:19:54 GMT

Hi, I hope some of you technical experts can help with a problem I am experiencing with #016. After a frustrating few months of inactivity caused by a faulty genuine BMW battery (less than 18 months old) I finally got the BMW dealer to replace it FOC after much persuasion. However on trying to restart the car after a few weeks inactivity it took most of a weekend to get it to run for more than a few seconds. It would turnover and when it fired would run OK for a minute or two and then just stop. It would then take many attempts to get it to fire again. Eventually I got it started and running OK.

Over a period of a couple of weeks it ran faultlessly but this weekend, after a couple of weeks inactivity, the problem has returned although a bit different. This time it started fine and ran for a couple of minutes before dying on me and leaving me stranded. I had to leave it for a few hours at the roadside and when I came to collect it, after a bit of coaxing it started and again has run fine since.

I am tempted to blame the fuel supply as the symptoms are just like running out of fuel but the problem only happens if the car has not been used for a while. I did replace the tank and the transfer pump assy earlier this year but it had covered several hundred miles since then before the battery problems resulted in lack of use for a period. Could a new transfer pump have put any extra load/pressure in the fuel system which has shown up a probelm somewhere else? It is almost as though there is an airlock getting into the fuel supply when the car is left for a period. When the car is running properly, though, there is no sign of any lack of fuel pressure caused by a failing pump.

Are there any obvious things I am missing, I was hoping that getting the battery sorted would give me some reliable motoring!

Thanks if anyone can help.

DC99 SA cars with M88/3 naucer engine

BMWWGN — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:20:54 GMT

I have seen the E28 M5 SA model 'DC99' listed on numerous fact sheets found on the web.
The listed model numbers appear as follows:

DC91: (LHD EURO) => M88/3 engine 588 units produced
DC92: (RHD EURO) => M88/3 engine 187 units produced
DC93: (LHD US) => S38B35 engine 1,320 units produced
DC98: (RHD SA) => M88/3 engine 96 units produced (DC98 and DC99)
DC99: (RHD SA) => M88/3 naucer engine

Does anyone know what the DC99 cars were, and what the "naucer" engine is?

Best regards
BMWWGN

RHD on Pistonheads/Avantgarde

M5Wagon — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:17:19 GMT

Spotted this one, anyone know of it, what number ??

avantgarde : BMW M5 E28

Project "RHD #77" - 1st thread !!

M5Wagon — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:05:48 GMT

OK gents, here's the proper intro of my latest and greatest stunt - restoration of a middle-aged classic !!

E28 M5 RHD - one of the magnificent 187 made - this being number 77. Came across it quite by chance, amazing how one thing leads to another thanks to the power of communication these days...

Anyway, registered November 1986, the car has been local to me pretty much all its life (records appear to show it being serviced a couple times near Leeds early in its life), and i am the 5th owner.

1st - none other than the MD of John Clark BMW i.e. Mr. John Clark himself - i knew he had a tasteful habit of always bagging a flagship for a few months when they debuted, turns out he collected the car in Germany and drove it home.

2nd - meantime mystery here, working on establishing the exact details of this, as...

3rd - V5 registration document shows it transferring to a local chap in September 1989. Now, i have had brief contact with this gentleman and he said he bought it from John Clark at a few months old, wondering if the 2nd owner was his company name... intrigue! And the Leeds connection? Anyway, he had it for at least 18 years, until February 2007.

4th - failed MOT on welding apparently, picked up by another local lad who's into M-cars, basically sat in his driveway and did zero miles for the next 2.5 years until...

5th - mad as box-of-frogs moi went and bought it a month ago !! :hihi:

As mentioned, it's #77, from online records it would appear to be the very last car built in July 1986 before the plant shutdown for August holiday, and then subsequent shift of build to the other plant (that's what i've read, anyone please feel free to help me out here!).

Exterior colour is unconfirmed! Handbook says "blue green metallic" - it looks Delphin/Dolphin to me but note it's stamped as a Sonderlackierung special order colour. Oh no! Unfortunately no sign of the fabled "build sheet under the seat" - i may pull out the seatback to see if it's there, defo not under the arse bit LOL. It COULD be the lovely Petrol Green/Petrol-Grun as spotted on a couple other cars, funny thing is it changes shade a lot depending on light - dull days it's a bluey grey, bright sunlight it looks much more greeney as seen on the last owners pics threaded elsewhere. Challenge to establish paint code!

Interior is thankfully easier to gauge - Silver Leather - thanks to the code from a dealer-print spec sheet, and this is one of two i think it is that have "Special Leather", as noted elsewhere, basically Highline leather of A-Pillars, full door cards, dash, steering colum, etc, etc. In pretty good nick i must say, some discolouration here and there and a tiny mark or two but for a 23 year old it's lovely. The rear seats are pristine, looks to have barely been sat in.

Cosmetically it's good - minor bubbling on the sunroof, rear arches, one door got a wee bubble, rear tail corner. I know there's some light corrosion in the door undersides and around the front's hinges, and certainly some structural welding required underneath, jack points etc. A lot of surface rust on the suspension parts, but hey we like a challenge don't we!

Mechanically it's looking good - was a tad unenthusiastic to run smoothly at the start, but a couple hours on idle/slow maneuvers now and appears to be loosening up nicely. Had my spanner monkey give the engime a good listen to/look over - timing chain being the concern as always - thankfully no major worries appearing, all fluids clean and not cross-contaminated, and not particularly noisy either, the chain seems quiet enough. Unfortunately the service records are currently incomplete - fully BMW history till 1993/55k miles, then independent till 1996/75k miles then it goes off the radar. I do know the car was looked after by another local independent so i'll enquire at them to see if any light can be shed, turns out the Workshop Manager there is ex-John Clark BMW and likely PDI'd the car when it was new. God i love this puzzle!

Plan -

1) get it up on the ramp next couple weeks and through an MOT to see all that it needs to pass. Defo do the necessary to get the ticket so i can at least get it taxed and useable, want to drive it a little to make sure i want to proceed to...

2) cosmetics of: corrosion patches cleaned up, interior refreshed. Full service and fluids change, any brakes etc sorted out so it's effectively useable daily, and then...

3) a few months later... if nothing major goes POP... will be aiming to do the full underbody drop, blast and repaint/clean/replace everything mechanical, bushes, etc and full Waxoyl or similar to hopefully keep it fresh for another 20 years. Also full mechanical strip - timing chain, possible head cleanup, brakes replaced/upgraded, clutch renewed, etc - in effect all the oily bits given the look over and restored as required. Final cosmetics refreshed e.g. Shadowline, front grilles, badges, wheels refurbed, doors and wings etc if required.

In all, i would LOVE to have this baby back to mint - yet keeping it as original as possible - the car being local and so "well known" to me appeals enormously. Yes, it will cost a fair whack, but hey, it's all for pleasure after all (listen, i'm nearly 40, and the 80s was Miami Vice so i'm on a retro binge ok, i admit it!)

And to conclude my blether, the initial pics... :D

The 3200 kms E28 - PHOTOS !!

M5Wagon — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:31:03 GMT

Yes yes i know this has been discussed before :D

But on my web trawl i found pics of it - i'm pretty sure these were not coming up on the old threads - so here ya go. If i get time i'll upload them to my photo hosting service so we have them for reference in case the linky goes walkies in future.

Nice car, and note it's one of the SA ones !!

Used car searching | Car Portal site Goo-net

:M5thumbs:

Rev counter isssues

hysteric — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:19:02 GMT

Hi chaps - a query for the grizzly bearded M5ers ... my brother has just purchased his first E28 M5, and is still awaiting transfer however has been notfied the rev counter does not work. The batteries on the circuit board have been replaced with new ones and still no joy. I know Davidoli had similar experiences with Diamond Diana ?

Any thoughts on what could be the issue ? :dunno:

Thanks again.

HD video: overview collection of all generations BMW M5 in USA

Gustav — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:15:52 GMT

From my 2007 USA Trip! 5 weeks of BMW M5 and USA :thumbsup:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60...-tx-ks-mo.html

Massaschussetts and New York

My United States Round Trip in 5 Weeks with m5board.com Members Part 1/6: MA and NY

Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Caroline, South Carolina and Geaorgia

My United States Trip in 5 Weeks with Members Part 2/6:IN, IL, WI, MN, NC, SC and GA

Georgia, North Carolina and Florida

My United States Round Trip in 5 Weeks with m5board.com Members Part 3/6: GA,NC + FL

Florida, Atlanta, Louisiana, Texas, Kansas and Missouri

My United States Trip in 5 Weeks with Members Part 4/6: FL, AL, LA, TX, KS and MO

Colorado, Utah, Washington and Oregon

My United States Round Trip in 5 Weeks with Members Part 5/6: CO, UT, WA and OR leg

Arizona, Nevada and California

My United States Round Trip in 5 Weeks with m5board.com Members Part 6/6: AZ, NV,

Ebay M5

Garcia1 — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:14:44 GMT

After a long hiatus it's good to be back in an M5, I purchased an restorable 1988 M5 on ebay, man the previous
owner beat this thing to *****, original seats missing (replaced with M6 seats) panel under the steering column
missing (just purchased another one from Ebay) rug replaced with a very cheap black rug, will be gone soon. When
I picked up the car it wouldn't start, it didn't matter as I'm a Air Force aircraft mechanic and I haven't met a car I
couldn't start, well loaded on the trailer and headed home, that was two weeks ago, finally got it started today after
replacing a leaking fuel hose near the firewall, actually I replaced all the fuel hoses, didn't want to take the chance
of high pressure fuel spraying on an hot engine, fire, fire, fire. I must say it again, the previous owner beat this car
to *****, but on a positive note the body is in straight solid condition, tires are new and original, shifter knob is missing
door panels, center console leather and back seats have been exposed to a great deal of sunshine with no leather
treatment (dry, dry, dry.) One drive in this car and I was just blown away, I owned two 1995 E34 3.8L M5, and I
must say I'll take the E28 anytime over the newer cars, no it's not faster, but the noise the E28 engines is just
unbelievable, felt like I was driving an old race car, a muscle car, these little square riggers pull so hard, and the
music from engine is so intoxicating, all I could say was "oh my G, oh my G, oh my G, these cars are worth every
penny of the current market value, heck I'm considering buying another one will I bring this one (cosmetically)
back to life. I've read a lot of articles about the E28 M5, and yes it lived up to every story I've ever read, just
a wonderful, nimble, noisy little friend. Now if I could only locate a pair of M5 sport seats (powered and heated)
seats, if anyone out there knows were there's a pair 1988 E28 M5 seats, please contact me at 910-494-7666 or send
a message to coorvette@hotmail.com I'm very happy with this car.

AutoBild article: 25 years of BMW M5

Gustav — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:04:05 GMT

Do not miss the mention of the upcoming BMW M5 F10! http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60...ml#post1668337

Translated article.

"We drive on the labels provided with countless fan of the Nurburgring Nordschleife. Our cars: BMW M5 all generations. And their great predecessor M1. Finally, it was 25 years ago, the M5 up and running. We look back - and forward."

"Even the second generation of the M5 is rebuilt by hand - in the meantime, the staff of Motorsport GmbH has grown from 100 to 370 employees"

"The 5.0-liter V10 with 507 hp and maximum torque of 520 Newton meters. Of a maximum speed of 8250 rpm motor is designed to over 100 hp per liter."

1430 kg and top speed fo 251 km/h in 1985 :trophy_bronze:

1988 BMW M5

BMW M5 E39

Facelifted BMW M5 E60 :M5rev:

Top speed 330 km/h unrestricted apparantly :trophy_bronze: hmmm

RHD E28 M5 wanted

BMWWGN — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:19:36 GMT

:M5thumbs: To all Australia, UK, Japan, Sth Africa members / viewers - I''m looking for a nice, high spec, low mileage, RHD E28 M5, with fully documented ownership and service history.
We only have one of these cars in NZ, so I aim to double that figure!
Cheers.

Sun roof seal and antenna

SicStang03 — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:36:59 GMT

I have the upgraded Saab sunroof (glass) on my e28 M5 but I need a new seal. Do I get the one that came with the car originally or go through Saab and get one?

If I need to go through Saab, anyone know which model Saab the sunroof came out of?

Also, my power antenna is broken. I checked ebay and I guess I have a few options. I don't want to pay for a new OEM power antenna but at the same time I don't want a cheap POS. Is this a decent antenna?

Power ANTENNA - 1988 BMW M5 E28:eBay Motors (item 380164451927 end time Nov-01-09 14:20:01 PST)

Thanks,
Justin

Headers for the E28 M5

M5 Jed — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:55:24 GMT

Hi all,

Anyone know where I can source a set of headers for the M5? Since it is an old car, can't seem to find many out there. There is a seller of the M30 engine headers from Australia selling on ebay. Don't know if it is any good. Any feedback/comments would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Jed