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Old 24th April 2012, 11:09   #41
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Agree Hasan - emperical evidence seems to show that SMG cars have clutches that don't last forever. I just want to to know why also. Harder driving may explain it. But a tech telling Dan he had "excessive shifting" seems suspect to me.

But then again Dan admits to riding "Betsy" pretty hard, ha ha.
I heard Dan throws gears like a scalded monkey.

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Old 24th April 2012, 11:17   #42
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Dunno ' bout that Willis. But he claims to take it to redline as often as he can. He sure enjoys his M6.
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Old 24th April 2012, 13:02   #43
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So far every expert that I have spoken to has made fun of me for having the notion that an SMG clutch wears faster than a manual.

All of them say the opposite is true and this includes a certified BMW tech and a guy who owns an SMG E46 M3 Supercharged and another that owns an HPF 2.5 E46 M3 with SMG.

However, they could not give me any technical reason or evidence for their beliefs. It is all based on their experience.

So, I am really confused now.

I shall do some more re search on this and let you guys know what I find out.
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Old 24th April 2012, 16:43   #44
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The SA is basically making a comment he cannot back up with facts and data so I push back right away.
I guess they are trying to collect money out of my own pocket instead of from BMW NA.

Based on what I've read here - SMG pump life expectancy is as little as 25K miles

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Hello Dan. Was he providing this information as an attempt to try and explain what happened or was he attempting to present a case for them not to cover it?

It just seems like a nonsense discussion. If the part has failed, it has failed. Shifting too much, not shifting enough or thinking about shifting and not shifting all have about the same impact on a functional pump. I'm confused as to why a failed part needs an explanation such as this...

It's great to hear that you're covered -- now it's only the missing of your beast that you have to endure.

Speaking of the SMG and its related components, what is the general experience and consensus of those with CPO and aftermarket warranties concerning SMG repairs? The clutch is not covered but everything else is? I think an argument could be made when it's the clutch of semi-automatic transmission because it's an automated clutch vs. a regular 6-speed manual clutch.

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Hi Dan

What you understand is correct. The SMG pump does have a short life span. However the good thing about the SMG III is that the pump alone can be replaced for around 600 USD unlike the SMG where the entire hydraulic unit had to be replaced when the pump went bad.
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Old 24th April 2012, 16:59   #46
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Some people buy their dream car and just parks it inside the garage to look at and admire. (what a waste of a car, go drive it and enjoy it)

Some people buy a high performance car and drive it like a grandma (what a waste of a car.)

Some people are like me, I drive my BMW's the way its designed to be driven and the way its meant to be driven.

I often cruise at high RPM as this is where the most torque is and this is where the V10 engine likes to sing in harmony with my Tubi exhaust.
I shift about 90% of time close to redline as this is where BMW cars especially our V10 peaks its torque output and amazing to hear high RPM just like we like to admire F1 car sound.

I brake hard, I corner hard, accelerate hard and my beast never disappoints. This is why they call our cars The Ultimate Driving Machine.
Drive it hard and you will be impressed.

I dont worry about mileage as I buy a car to drive and enjoy.

I buy BMW's with standard & CPO warranty because I know how expensive it is to maintain and repair our M cars.

I have always known since day 1 that BMW are the most fun cars to drive they are NOT the most reliable car.
If we want reliability - go with Japanese cars.

My Honda Accords lasted 200K miles with almost zero issue except normal wear and tear.
But they are boring to drive.

I dont know how anyone can sue BMW for producing cars with reliability issue. And even if you sue them - I think we will run out of cash before the case ends as they have full time lawyer working for them and we dont, at least I dont.
Buying a BMW is optional. If you dont like it because of its reliability issues - then we dont have to buy it. It is a choice we make.

I drive my beast hard, I enjoy the heck out of it and when it breaks I get it fixed. Life goes on, I consider it money very well spent.

My CPO warranty runs out in September this year. Time to start to decide what my next car would be (under warranty)
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By the way Mark, still, no eMail notifications from M5board going to my home eMail inbox.

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This is why so many SA's have a reputation for being ripoffs.
A good SA would of kept his comments to a minimum until a Tech has had the opportunity to look at the car. ...... Just imagine how many BS lines like "To much shifting" he runs on the women customers who don't know how to respond.
I feel very fortunate to have an SA who I can trust.
Dan be sure and tell Parker what the SA told you! ..... LOL
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Some people buy their dream car and just parks it inside the garage to look at and admire. (what a waste of a car, go drive it and enjoy it)

Some people buy a high performance car and drive it like a grandma (what a waste of a car.)

Some people are like me, I drive my BMW's the way its designed to be driven and the way its meant to be driven.

I often cruise at high RPM as this is where the most torque is and this is where the V10 engine likes to sing in harmony with my Tubi exhaust.
I shift about 90% of time close to redline as this is where BMW cars especially our V10 peaks its torque output and amazing to hear high RPM just like we like to admire F1 car sound.

I brake hard, I corner hard, accelerate hard and my beast never disappoints. This is why they call our cars The Ultimate Driving Machine.
Drive it hard and you will be impressed.

I dont worry about mileage as I buy a car to drive and enjoy.

I buy BMW's with standard & CPO warranty because I know how expensive it is to maintain and repair our M cars.

I have always known since day 1 that BMW are the most fun cars to drive they are NOT the most reliable car.
If we want reliability - go with Japanese cars.

My Honda Accords lasted 200K miles with almost zero issue except normal wear and tear.
But they are boring to drive.

I dont know how anyone can sue BMW for producing cars with reliability issue. And even if you sue them - I think we will run out of cash before the case ends as they have full time lawyer working for them and we dont, at least I dont.
Buying a BMW is optional. If you dont like it because of its reliability issues - then we dont have to buy it. It is a choice we make.

I drive my beast hard, I enjoy the heck out of it and when it breaks I get it fixed. Life goes on, I consider it money very well spent.

My CPO warranty runs out in September this year. Time to start to decide what my next car would be (under warranty)

If my pump is bad, sorry to say, it's time to get out from under the M6. I do NOT have a warranty so the 3 grand comes out of my pocket. Easy to say drive it hard till it breaks, if you get it fixed at no charge. I looked into an extended warranty before my factory warranty expired and the BMW dealership here quoted me over 10 grand for a full covered warranty. Guess they were trying to make bank. Of course I opted not. Too bad to hear pumps fail, I may have to figure out what car is next anyway........ unfortunate.
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As I have mentioned on my other post, my car has been 99% reliable since the day I owned it (over 3 years now). Except for the software update to fix limp home mode which only happened once - this it the 1st time my beast crapped out on me.

3 grand is good money for anybody especially me as I am not rich by any means but if this is all that breaks after 3 years of ownership - then I am OK with it even if it comes out of my own pocket.
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