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post #141 of 226 Old 9th May 2012, 07:42 AM
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I think Dan, you MUST move from Boing to Bmw as chief electrical engineer. Maybe this way Bmw will stop doing crap in the electronics department.

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Man that sucks Dan. Here I was hoping that the flatbed was delivering her to you, not the other way around. Hang in there, it will get fixed. Only a matter of time. Keep us posted.

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The good news is you have a brand new SMG pump, you'll likely get a new relay, maybe a new sensor, maybe more. A few more days and the drivetrain will feel new.

Hang in there!
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Thank you everyone. You are all so kind and supportive.

Yes George, one thing BMW definitely could use improvement on is reliability of their cars. If I was chief engineer there - I would make that a top priority. Nothing more frustrating than your car breaking down on you getting you stuck out on the road somewhere.....

As I mentioned, all the Honda Accords I have owned were boring as hell to drive but lasted 200,000 miles without any issues....

My beast only has 29,770 miles.

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That is why I laugh when people tell my an exotic car is going to cost me a fortune to keep up. They clearly have not looked in the mirror with these M cars! The 2009 and up LP Gallardos are actually very reliable. Some of the exotic rental places have 50k miles on them with no issues and on the same clutch. I think the Gallardo replacement is going to be a beast and very reliable since Audi will have more input.

If it wasn't for my warranty in the last 30 days I would have had to replace the steering angle sensor and one of my sensors on bank two. MY convertible top is also having some sensor issues. I also am having a terrible noise coming from my front brakes which have more than half the pad left and BMW will not fix any of those issues on an M car. My car only has 25k miles on it and is a 2008.

I use to own a Range Rover and had it towed 5 times in the first year and a half of owning it. This M6 is not as bad but it isn't much better! Now I am not bashing BMW, just my M6. I have owned 2 3 series and never had an issue with them, just replaced the battery. I also owned a 535 for about 6 months and had no issues with that either (even though the fuel pump and injectors was on the 7th revison!)

I think everyone better think long and hard about buying the new M5/M6. Lets face it, BMW isn't the best at putting turbos on a car. Look at all the issues with the 335 and the 535.
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Update IV

Got a call from my SA. Fault codes show "Clutch Learning Procedure sensor error".

SA said they will drop the transmission down tomorrow as it could be clutch, flywheel, clutch slave cylinder or faulty sensors.

He said if it turns out that it is the Flywheel, FYI, Clutch and Flywheel are NOT covered by CPO and estimated cost of repair is similar to what Albert posted = $4,600.00. Ouch!

But my clutch is not slipping and I dont know what the symptoms are of worn out flywheel.

So I asked: If its normal wear and tear like the clutch, then I agree it is not covered by CPO. But if its defective part issue - then it should be covered right? He said, hummm, good point, however, CPO paperwork clearly states which parts are covered and which parts are not and flywheel is not covered.

So I told him to proceed with diagnosis and we'll talk again tomorrow once they have the transmission down. Dayum.....
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Got a call from my SA. Fault codes show "Clutch Learning Procedure sensor error".

SA said they will drop the transmission down tomorrow as it could be clutch, flywheel, clutch slave cylinder or faulty sensors.

He said if it turns out that it is the Flywheel, FYI, Clutch and Flywheel are NOT covered by CPO and estimated cost of repair is similar to what Albert posted = $4,600.00. Ouch!

But my clutch is not slipping and I dont know what the symptoms are of worn out flywheel.

So I asked: If its normal wear and tear like the clutch, then I agree it is not covered by CPO. But if its defective part issue - then it should be covered right? He said, hummm, good point, however, CPO paperwork clearly states which parts are covered and which parts are not and flywheel is not covered.

So I told him to proceed with diagnosis and we'll talk again tomorrow once they have the transmission down. Dayum.....
More to follow.....
Yowzaa! Dan that's not what I was expecting to read tonight .... Sorry to hear this buddy! Keep us posted

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Hi Dan.

I can't think of a scenario to which your flywheel would be worn out at 29K miles -- our beasts have a dual mass flywheel (DMF). Worn out would just mean "out of spec" and would usually surface as significant vibration at any RPM.

It's probably false economy NOT to replace the flywheel when you're already into a clutch repair but I'd be surprised if most E6x M5/M6s actually need a new flywheel at their first clutch replacement. I'm guessing there would be about a two-clutch replacement life to each flywheel in normal conditions.

That being said, in the event you don't replace the flywheel during a new clutch repair, you'd obviously want to have it checked over pretty thoroughly as a defective flywheel can damage a new clutch.

For those that are interested to know more about DMFs, I've attached a PDF to this post. It's from an aftermarket flywheel manufacturer (Luk) but it contains useful general information and the background on DMFs.

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Got a call from my SA. Fault codes show "Clutch Learning Procedure sensor error".

SA said they will drop the transmission down tomorrow as it could be clutch, flywheel, clutch slave cylinder or faulty sensors.

He said if it turns out that it is the Flywheel, FYI, Clutch and Flywheel are NOT covered by CPO and estimated cost of repair is similar to what Albert posted = $4,600.00. Ouch!

But my clutch is not slipping and I dont know what the symptoms are of worn out flywheel.

So I asked: If its normal wear and tear like the clutch, then I agree it is not covered by CPO. But if its defective part issue - then it should be covered right? He said, hummm, good point, however, CPO paperwork clearly states which parts are covered and which parts are not and flywheel is not covered.

So I told him to proceed with diagnosis and we'll talk again tomorrow once they have the transmission down. Dayum.....
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