Does anyone own the titanium Eisenmann Meisterschaft gt(race version) exhaust?
I just dont know if i should get stainless or titanium.. because titanium does weigh less but some bmw 3series owners say that titanium has more "rasp" and sounds more "tin-y"(tin can)
you should do a search.....as far as i know, eisenmann only did one collab with eisenhaus and that's for the e46 m3 and it was a titanium exhaust like your saying. but eisenmann never collab'd with eisenhuas on the meisterchaft's for e63 or e60, meaning they are korean knock-offs (that i have =.=)....
Just to clarify;
two units (meisterschaft unit and eisenmann unit) look completely different from the begining and they were co-marketed within under eisenhaus - eisenmann brand name before and It is now no longer the case.
Meisterschaft M6 Stainless steel unit and Titanium units are not knock offs of eisenmann units, they were different units from eisenmann altogether from the begining. Even their physical appearance are not even similar by any means. Different yet more free-flowing design and better welding techniques are given, and applied to Meisterschaft units and a lot of previous and current customers are loving the sound and quality of Meist Touring and GT units.
Titanium units were created since 2001 starting with E46 M3, and sorry, eisenmann had nothing to do with titanium development, but it was rather an agreed co-marketing thing: It is kinda funny that at this time, after all they say, eisenmann is now claiming that they had something to do with production of Titanium units, but it was rather all collaborative marketing plans throughout years between eisenmann and eisenhaus but eisenmann did not put any inputs on it as far as design and manufacturing goes since they do not have any capability to make them nor have any experience with titanium material or products period. The respected meisterschaft Ti units were actually helping eisenmann brand and eisenmann sales tremendously - by co-branding with meisterschaft - eisenmann. Since Titanium production capability is not everyone had and has.
Same thing as what you see on M5 and M6 units, co-marketing under eisenhaus - eisenmann,
as eisenmann even sold these meisterschaft previous titanium units and other stainless steel meisterschaft units including meisterschaft sectional pipes in their website up until few months back along with meist tip options such as CFK tips - no need to say any further.
Previously Meisterschaft did not produce Oval tips for M5 and M6 because eisenhaus was pushing eisenmann units to their absolute maximum market capacity, but it is now no longer the case for eisenhaus.
Meisterschaft is now producing not only higher quality and better crafted oval tips (by anyones eyes),
but also new neat "balencia F-1 edition" tips; now has been released and they do look simply amazing,
please visit eisenhaus website to explore this balencia F-1 tip option.
Simply put, Meisterschaft had been making and selling more innovative and tech-leading products for M3, M5 and M6 than eisenmann period. Besides these innovative rear back boxes, not to mention all Sectional pipes and X-pipe sections for BMW M and Benz AMG cars are not done by eisenmann or even being produced at this time on their end. Also the top of the line - Meisterschaft Titanium units, eisenmann does not have capability to make titanium units, but meisterschaft does,
so, now Meisterschaft - EisenHaus is now offering E60 M5, E63 M6 units in titanium material as we did for E46 M3.
The weight of these Ti units are ridiculously light and top of the line quality craftmanship as always and also reasonably priced for being Titanium unit. We will upload some photos for folks who are interesed in them shortly after.
For your information: M5 and M6 - Ti units are now also in stock and ready to be shipped.
we have all version of M3, M5, M6 units in stock (Round, Oval, CFK and Titanium) and we are offering them at fantasitc prices, because we no longer have to support previous brand price point and sales.
Meisterschaft was holding up the sales of Ti units because of previous brand price point and
here we are now offering the absolutely the best GT Ti system available for your vehicles at a reasonable price point.
Maybe these top Ti units would never get produced if eisenhaus keeps working with eisenmann, seriously..
We know there are a lot of confusion out there and concerns, If you have any questions, please call us directly.
We are here to answer your questions and we will be offering some board fellow discounts if you call us in to purchase.
also please check out the latest price update at eisenhaus: www.eisenhaus.com
Thank you.
Meisterschaft - EisenHaus
Tel: 630.787.1600
Last edited by Meisterschaft; 20th March 2008 at 20:01.
If eisenmann sucked so bad, and you were so great with your Korean built knockoffs, then change your name - - it's OBVIOUS you used the EISEN (iron) part of their name to get yourself going, now after you get exposed
...you got the guts to dump on them here of all places...?
No one should be paying hand crafted Euro prices for your Korean/Chinese or wherever they are built cans...
Do us, the world a favor, and change your name to reflect YOUR products, since they are NOT made in Germany, drop the german words for something more factual, like fareastshaft, or massiveprofitmarginshaft...
If eisenmann sucked so bad, and you were so great with your Korean built knockoffs, then change your name - - it's OBVIOUS you used the EISEN (iron) part of their name to get yourself going, now after you get exposed
...you got the guts to dump on them here of all places...?
No one should be paying hand crafted Euro prices for your Korean/Chinese or wherever they are built cans...
Do us, the world a favor, and change your name to reflect YOUR products, since they are NOT made in Germany, drop the german words for something more factual, like fareastshaft, or massiveprofitmarginshaft...
I see where you are coming from, but we will tell you one thing.
we are the one who actually started to use the logo "eisenmann" which goes along with eisenhaus. Previously it was called RET sport. And EisenHaus started to stamp them "eisenmann". So, know your facts straight.
and maybe we should be asking you, why are you following every single post of ours and putting negative comments?? funny don't you think? go on, let's see what other insightful info you will be bring in here besides keep saying the same words - knock offs, but wait.. these meisterschaft products are so well made, so people are buying.. and they are great. so, what's the problem?
Last edited by Meisterschaft; 20th March 2008 at 22:43.
I see where you are coming from, but we will tell you one thing.
we are the one who actually started to use the logo "eisenmann" which goes along with eisenhaus. Previously it was called RET sport. And EisenHaus started to stamp them "eisenmann". So, know your facts straight.
and maybe we should be asking you, why are you following every single post of ours and putting negative comments?? funny don't you think? go on, let's see what other insightful info you will be bring in here besides keep saying the same words - knock offs, but wait.. these meisterschaft products are so well made, so people are buying.. and they are great. so, what's the problem?
I can back him up on that! I had an eisenmann exhaust on my 2002 330xi and on the tips it said RET sport. And i always wondered why it said RET and now i know! And after a while people started having eisenmann engraved on their tips and i thought i got some sort of fake exhaust, but eisenmann/eisenhaus when they worked as one... confirmed me that it is an "eisenmann" exhaust but RET was the previous name for it.
From a business aspect i can see why some people might be mad. But to me, from an "exhaust sound" stand point, i love how both the Eisenmann race exhaust sounds, and how the Meisterschaft GT sounds and sure one is made in germany and the other in korea/japan.. BUT both sound amazing!!
The only competition between these two exhausts is the Active Autowerke which is a full cat back and also has a similar sound in the middle of these two exhausts, but besides AA Eisenmann or the Meisterschaft are the two exhausts for my upcoming m6
I just wanna know if anyone has heard both of these in person, and which one is louder? And which one has that "exotic rasp" sound and which one has the deep burbly deep throaty sound
thats all
Last edited by AlpineMsix; 20th March 2008 at 22:54.
...the PROBLEM is they are being marketed as if they are german made, german quality, they are neither. They may be made reasonably well at one third of the cost in Korean standards, but not TUV approved etc as the eisenmann are - so it's misleading, but you already know that, you've been making a killing on this slight of hand for years.
...oh, I almost forgot, speaking of misleading, when you type eisenmann in google, guess what, yea, your site comes up - - don't forget to keep that hit generator in the keller going
I see where you are coming from, but we will tell you one thing.
we are the one who actually started to use the logo "eisenmann"
You have got to be kidding me. So that big blue Eisenmann sign in front of the factory in Stutgart was actually YOUR idea? If that is the case, maybe you should sue the Germans.
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...the PROBLEM is they are being marketed as if they are german made, german quality, they are neither. They may be made reasonably well for Korean standards, but not TUV approved etc as the eisenmann are - so it's misleading, but you already know that, you've been making a killing on this slight of hand for years.
well, if so, you better check out what eisenmann is making on their profit end. Then we will compare one to other.
If it is indeed a lot of interests to you why and how Meisterschaft units are so well made, offered at premium market and gotten so popular - you can ask yourself. It is called "business".
And meisterschaft focus does not stop there. Meist uinits are geared towards to satisfy US customers to please US customer. eisenmann isn't.
How do we know that? Well, did we said we worked with eisenmann for 8 years?
Meisterschaft is the one who actually offers more various options and styles than previous brand. So, what gives? Your knock off theory, maybe doesn't exactly fall in here. Meisterschaft did not knock off sectional pipes for M5 and M6, because eisenmann doesn't even offer the sectional pipes. so, where does meisterschaft knock off come from? Stock??? wow..
The physical (back box) products actually do look different and sounds different, a lot of customers and dealers are still backing us up that Meist GT unit sounds the best of all. EisenHaus and Eisenmann worked together so well for past 8 years. And we do not want to further create any more arguments on this case. Unless you are the representative of eisenmann,
our conversation/ argument with you stops here - no need.
Meisterschaft is meisterschaft and Eisenmann is eisenmann now. There will be no confusion about it. We are NOT advertising or mentioning eisenmann anywhere in our site. so, stop playing this child game here.
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