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SUPRA · 18th June 2007, 09:30

Damn! The Z06 is really fast.

But the M6 seems so super efficient at high speeds so I think if the Z06 hadn't mis shifted the race would have been a draw. The M6 has a few seconds until finish (the white sign).

However, in reality and not the "Autobahn", the race would have been over for the M6 at a much earlier stage. I'm impressed, that M6 wasn't slow.

DRM · 18th June 2007, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Wayward

TB, you have a good point, but we really do need to take into account what made the 911 so popular in the first place -- it was challenging to drive., thanks to that rear engine. Sadly, they've engineered that challenge *out* with the advent of the 996.

I suppose that's what I miss and what is missed for many. Didn't mean to sound too condescending or harsh, btw.

We do know that the P-men are working on the type 998 for ~MY2009/2010, 3.8L. lightweight construction, and DSG, almost assuredly. The old '11 will be around for another decade or so.

Something of a challenge, competitively speaking for the engineers at this point, no dout -- but then that's the way it's always been. Hopefully we'll both still be around for the really futuristic, mainstream iteration.

Yes, the 996 ushered in water cooled, heavier, easier to drive, more creature comforts, appealing to more customers, etc. The exceptions were limited production GT3's and GT2's (but still water cooled). 'Don't think anyone disagrees those models require considerable skill to drive well, let alone competitively.

997's are a continuation of the 911 decades old evolution (after all, 993's were far better than their predecessors); with even GT3 and GT3RS being more "street friendly", but arguably still the best track cars on the planet. I'm more than looking forward to what the new GT2 will be like.

Are the likes of Audi, BMW, or MB going to produce better SPORTS cars than Porsche?? Time will tell. Maybe a particular model will be produced that trumps Porsche's dominance of multiple classes of professional and amatuer road racing. Who knows?? But I doubt it; and certainly not on a permanent basis. There's still "no substitute".

Crille · 18th June 2007, 11:33

Beutiful pics emMet, your pics are my favorites pics from the event.
Do you have any pics on my blue E39 M5?

T Bone · 18th June 2007, 18:35

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Originally Posted by DRM

Yes, the 996 ushered in water cooled, heavier, easier to drive, more creature comforts, appealing to more customers, etc. The exceptions were limited production GT3's and GT2's (but still water cooled). 'Don't think anyone disagrees those models require considerable skill to drive well, let alone competitively.

997's are a continuation of the 911 decades old evolution (after all, 993's were far better than their predecessors); with even GT3 and GT3RS being more "street friendly", but arguably still the best track cars on the planet. I'm more than looking forward to what the new GT2 will be like.

Are the likes of Audi, BMW, or MB going to produce better SPORTS cars than Porsche?? Time will tell. Maybe a particular model will be produced that trumps Porsche's dominance of multiple classes of professional and amatuer road racing. Who knows?? But I doubt it; and certainly not on a permanent basis. There's still "no substitute".

Where Porsche will not likely give up the lead is the customer focus on racing. They have facilities (in Zuffenhausen?) that produces customer race cars unlike can other marque can even match anytime soon. So for customer race programs, Porsche is unrivalled.

I just question their culture and focus. They are so entrenched with the 911 layout they throw out good ideas. The 924 brought the first transaxle (that the C5 Corvette copied). The 928 the V8 engine. We all know the Cayman was crippled to not compete against the 911. The 911 has always done well because of a loyal customer base but it is always been based on performance.

The 911 Turbo killed all competitors from 1976 onto 993TT. Then competitors came....Vettes / Vipers in the 1990s at Lemans and other race series. Now with Peich's ego destroying the gentlemen's agreement with Audi / Mercedes / BMW, new competition is coming....

Porsche can only push the rear engine platform with its inherent weaknesses for so long.....

AntXGT2 · 18th June 2007, 20:08

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Originally Posted by DRM

It appears the Ruf had the CGT; but really can't tell, for sure. And who won the GT2 vs M5 run?? Vid only shows speedo and tac.

BTW, very nice shifting in your GT2; calm, smooth and quick. RPM's stayed right in the power band after each shift. T-Bone should study that vid so he'll understand how Porsche's are drivers' cars for those that are skilled.

The RUF won every race against the CGT. The RUF keept pulling away in a brutal manner at 200kmh ++. I had the pleasure of driving the CGT and also to get a ride in the RUF. The RUF was mad

The CGT was pure adrenaline to drive.

In my first run against the M5 I shifted from 2:nd into 5:th gear and lost some distance I could not catch up

In the Second run I was calmer and thats the run on the video.