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M5_4EVER · 26th April 2007, 00:16

As promisedthis is the list from Consumers Report. Correction: the 02-05 M3 is on the list. But since I drive a M5 it really dosen't matter.

April 2007

Used cars to avoid

These are CR's lists of unreliable cars as of the 2006 survey. Below are the vehicles with below-average Used Car Verdicts for specific model years.

Acura RSX ’06
Audi A4 Avant ’03; A4 Convertible ’03-04; A4 sedan (4-cyl.) ‘97-03; A4 sedan (V6) ‘97-98; Allroad ‘01-02; A6 Avant ’99; A6 sedan (V6) ‘97-98, ‘00-01, ’03; A8 ‘04-05; S4 ’01; TT ’00, ’03
BMW 5 Series (6-cyl., RWD) ‘05-06; 5 Series Sedan (V8) ‘99-01, ‘04-06; 7 Series ‘97-06; M3 ‘02-05; X3 ’04, ’06; X5 (6-cyl.) ’01; X5 (V8) ‘00-02, ‘04-06
Buick Rainier (6-cyl.) ’04; Rendezvous ‘02-03; Terraza ‘05-06
Cadillac Catera ’98; DeVille ‘00-03; Eldorado ’97; Escalade EXT ‘04-05; Seville ’97, ‘99-03; SRX (V6) ’04, ’06; SRX (V8) ‘04-05; STS (V6) ’06; STS (V8) ’05
Chevrolet Astro ‘97-05; Avalanche 1500 ’03-04; Avalanche 2500 ‘02-03; Aveo ‘04-05; Blazer ‘97-05; Camaro ’97; Cavalier Coupe & Conv. ‘97-98; Cavalier Sedan ’97; Cobalt ’05; Colorado (2WD) ’04; Colorado (4WD) ‘04-05; Corvette ‘00-02, ‘05-06; Equinox ’05; Express ‘97-06; Impala (V6) ‘01-02; Impala (V8) ’06; Malibu ’04; Malibu (4-cyl.) ‘98-99; Malibu (V6) ‘98-02; Monte Carlo (V6) ’98, ‘00-01; S-10 (4WD) ‘97-04; Silverado 1500 (4WD) ’03-06; Silverado 2500 (4WD) ’03-04; Silverado 2500 (TurDsl 4WD) ‘01, ’03-04; Suburban ‘97-99, ’03; Suburban 2500 ’06; Tahoe ‘97-99, ’06; TrailBlazer (6-cyl.) ‘02-03; TrailBlazer (V8) ’03-04; Uplander ‘05-06; Venture ‘97-02
Chrysler 300 (V6) ’05; 300 (V8) ‘05-06; 300M ’99; Cirrus ’97; Concorde ‘97-99, ’03; Crossfire ‘04-05; LHS ’97, 99; Pacifica ‘04-05; PT Cruiser (nonturbo) ’04, ’06; PT Cruiser (turbo) ’03; Sebring Convertible ‘00-04; Sebring Sedan (4-cyl.) ‘02-03; Sebring Sedan (V6) ’02; Town & Country (ext) ‘97-98, ‘01-05; Town & Country (reg) ’97, ‘04-05; Voyager (4-cyl.) ‘01-02; Voyager (V6) ‘01-03
Dodge Caravan (4-cyl.) ‘97-98, ‘01-02; Caravan (V6) ’97, ‘01-05; Charger ’06; Dakota (2WD) ’02, ‘05-06; Dakota (4WD) ‘97-99, ’02, ’04; Durango ‘98-02, ’06; Grand Caravan ‘97-98, ‘01-05; Intrepid ‘97-00, ’03; Magnum ’05; Neon ‘97-99; Ram 1500 (2WD) ’99; Ram 1500 (4WD) ‘97-02; Ram 2500 ’98; Ram Van/Wagon ’97, ‘99-00; Stratus Sedan ’02; Stratus Sedan (V6) ’97
Ford Contour ’98; Crown Victoria ’06; Escape Hybrid ’06; Excursion ‘04-05; Expedition ’03-06; Explorer ‘02-04, ’06; F-150 (4WD) ’04, ’06; F-250 (4WD) ‘05-06; F-250 (TurDsl) ’03-06; Focus Hatchback ’02; Focus Sedan ’00; Focus Wagon ’02, ’06; Freestar ’04, ’06; Freestyle (AWD) ’05; Mustang ‘05-06; Mustang (V8, SC) ’03; Thunderbird ’04; Windstar ‘97-01
GMC Canyon (2WD) ’04; Canyon (4WD) ‘04-05; Envoy (6-cyl.) ‘02-03; Envoy (V8) ’03-04; Jimmy ‘97-01; Safari ‘97-05; Savana ‘97-06; Sierra 1500 (4WD) ’03-06; Sierra 2500 (4WD) ‘03-04; Sierra 2500 (TurDsl) (4WD) ‘01, ‘03-04; Sonoma (4WD) ‘97-04; Suburban ‘97-99; Yukon ‘97-99, ‘06; Yukon XL ‘03; Yukon XL 2500 ‘06
Honda Passport ‘97-00, ‘02
Hummer H2 ‘03, ‘05; H3 ‘06
Hyundai Accent ‘01-02; Elantra ‘99; Sonata ‘00-01; Tiburon ‘03
Infiniti QX56 ‘04-06
Isuzu Rodeo ‘97-00, ‘02
Jaguar S-Type ‘00-05; XJ ‘98-00, ‘05; X-Type ‘02, ‘04-05
Jeep Commander ‘06; Grand Cherokee ‘97-06; Liberty ‘06; Liberty (TurDsl) ‘05; Wrangler ‘05-06
Kia Sedona ‘02-05; Sorento ‘03; Spectra ‘03; Sportage ‘05-06
Land Rover Discovery ‘99-04; Freelander ‘02; LR3 ‘05-06; Range Rover Sport ‘06
Lincoln Aviator ‘03-05; LS ‘00-01, ‘03-05; Mark VIII ‘97; Navigator ‘99, ‘01, ‘03-06; Town Car ‘06
Mazda RX-8 ‘04; Mazda6 hatchback ‘04; Mazda6 Sedan (V6) ‘03
Mercedes-Benz C-Class (4-cyl.) ‘02 C-Class (V6) ‘01-03, ‘06; CLK; ‘01-06; CLS ‘06; E-Class ‘00-06; M-Class (V6) ‘00-03, ‘06; M-Class (V8) ‘99-00, ‘02, ‘06; R-Class ‘06; S-Class (V8) ‘01-04; SL ‘03-05; SLK (V6) ‘05
Mercury Cougar ‘99-00; Grand Marquis ‘06; Monterey ‘04, ‘06; Mountaineer ‘02-04, ‘06; Mystique ‘98
Mini Cooper Convertible ‘05; Convertible (S) ‘06; Hatchback ‘03; Hatchback (S) ‘02, ‘05
Mitsubishi Eclipse ‘97, ‘99; Endeavor ‘05; Galant ‘04
Nissan 350Z ‘03; Altima (4-cyl.) ‘06; Armada ‘04-06; Maxima ‘04; Quest ‘04-06; Sentra ‘04, ‘06; Titan ‘04-06
Oldsmobile Alero ‘99-02; Aurora ‘97-98, ‘01; Bravada ‘98-00, ‘02-‘03; Cutlass ‘98-99; Silhouette ‘97-02
Plymouth Grand Voyager ‘97-98; Neon ‘97-99; Voyager (4-cyl.) ‘97-98; Voyager (V6) ‘97
Pontiac Aztek ‘01-03; Bonneville ‘00-02, ‘05; Firebird ‘97; Grand Am ‘97-02; Grand Prix (non-SC) ‘97-98, ‘00-01, ‘06; Grand Prix (SC) ‘97, ‘00, ‘02; GTO ‘04; Montana ‘99-02; Montana SV6 ‘05-06; Solstice ‘06; Sunfire Coupe & Conv. ‘97-98; Sunfire Sedan ‘97; Trans Sport ‘97-98
Porsche 911 ‘03, ‘05-06; Boxster ‘01, ‘04, ‘06; Cayenne ‘04-05
Saab 900 ‘97-98; 9-3 ‘99, ‘03-04, ‘06; 9-5 ‘99, ‘01-02; 9-5 Wagon ‘00
Saturn Ion ‘03, ‘05; L-Series (V6) ‘00-02; Relay ‘05-06; Vue ‘02-03
Suzuki Aerio ‘03; Grand Vitara ‘04, ‘06; XL-7 ‘04
Volkswagen Cabrio ‘99-02; EuroVan ‘02-03; Golf (4-cyl.) ‘98-99, ‘02; Golf (turbo, gas) ‘01-02; Golf (TurDsl) ‘02; Jetta (4-cyl.) ‘97-00, ‘02, ‘05; Jetta (5-cyl.) ‘05; Jetta (V6) ‘00-01, ‘03; Jetta (turbo, gas) ‘01-04; Jetta (TurDsl) ‘01, ‘05; Jetta Wagon (4-cyl.) ‘03; New Beetle Conv. (4-cyl.) ‘03-05; New Beetle Conv. (turbo, gas) ‘04; New Beetle Hatch (4-cyl.) ‘98-00, ‘02-03; New Beetle Hatch (turbo, gas) ‘00-03; New Beetle Hatch (TurDsl) ‘02; Passat (4-cyl., FWD) ‘98-00, 02-03,‘05-06; Passat (V6, AWD) ‘00, ‘03-04; Passat (V6, FWD) ‘99-01, ‘03-04; Passat (W8) ‘03; Touareg ‘04-06
Volvo C70 ‘00, ‘04; Cross Country ‘98-01; S40/V50 ‘06; S60 (AWD) ‘06; S80 ‘99-01; S90/V90 ‘97-98; V70 (AWD) ‘98, ‘04; V70 (FWD) ‘01; XC90 (6-cyl.) ‘03-04; XC90 ‘05-06

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CSBM5 · 26th April 2007, 00:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by M5_4EVER

Actually the value of a 2006 M5 fully loaded with 20,000 miles is $73,000. Any dealer offering $62,000 is simply taking advantage of an ill informed consumer. Just because a dealer offers $62,000 for trade does not mean that is what the car is worth.

LOL, come on. Be real here. What the car is worth is what the market will pay for it, and the market won't pay anything close to those values you are quoting. Dealers have cars like that offered at $68k on their lots they can't sell now. Like I said before, if you know of ANY buyer for a 13k miles 2006 M5 who will pay anywhere close to $80k or even $75k for the car, PM me his contact information. I can "make him a deal" (i.e. connect with seller, BMW dealer, for a small fee

).

Congaman · 26th April 2007, 00:20

I'm looking....but can't find the C6 Z06 among the listed cars. Only what appears to be the base C6 along with some BMW and Porsche models. So what is your point? BMW and Porsche are also crappy cars??

stil · 26th April 2007, 00:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSBM5

LOL, seriously, you don't believe those sources have accurate prices on something like the M5 market, do you? Look at Manheim auction prices and prices real dealers will give you on real cars. Take a pristine, showroom condition car with 8k miles on it to trade at a dealer and see what he'll offer. I know that that offer will be locally since my dealer has used E60 M5s on his lot he can't sell for months now. It won't be anything close to KBB or Edmunds or any of those. For a car with 20k miles, you’ll be lucky to get a trade-in value above 60k.

They may not trade in, but I see them list those prices and try to sell them at private party prices. I guess it depends on the market. Here, I do a search for M5s between 2006 and 2008 and there are only 2 within 100 miles of Bellevue, WA (98008 zip) on Autotrader and they are in the 70s for 17k miles.

Perhaps only have 3 dealerships in western washington affects this as well, but they just won't deal very much on M5s. M6s, however, they are willing to deal a lot on apparently.

M5_4EVER · 26th April 2007, 00:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Congaman

So all the actual owners who are giving their ratings on edmunds and yahoo and other web sites are bribed?

Who said anything about being bribed? The word I used was BIASED. The difference in being objective and subjective is directly related to who pays your bills. Do you think Edmunds, Car and Driver, Motor Trend and others will be honest enough to say that for years American cars suck?
Please pay attention

. I did state that the engine (drive train), suspension, brakes and other parts may be different but the platform (body, chassis) are the same as the C6.

M5_4EVER · 26th April 2007, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Congaman

I'm looking....but can't find the C6 Z06 among the listed cars.

I think the book "Hooked on Phonics" might work for you. Do you see Corvette on the list? The Z06 is a Corvette Right

Congaman · 26th April 2007, 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by M5_4EVER

Who said anything about being bribed? The word I used was BIASED. The difference in being objective and subjective is directly related to who pays your bills. Do you think Edmunds, Car and Driver, Motor Trend and others will be honest enough to say that for years American cars suck?
Please pay attention

. I did state that the engine (drive train), suspension, brakes and other parts may be different but the platform (body, chassis) are the same as the C6.

And as I clearly wrote above so is not the case. The chassis on the Z06 is aluminum and magnesium. On the base C6 it is steel. Please read before making claims that I didn't pay attention. And come to think of it....if you look at my list there are not many relevant parts remaining to be the same for the base C6 and the Z06.......or what do you say.

Yes I know that you wrote Biased and I used bribed. But your are also suggesting that the actual owners, it is their ratings you can see in my links above, would be biased on the same ground as Edmunds and the other magazines you mention....i.e. taking money to give a good rating = Bribed in my book....and that goes only for the Corvette....not the BMW and other cars...

. Also look again....Edmunds own rating is lower than that given by the owners. GM must be paying to little. (?!)

Also....as BMW and Porsche are on the same crappy car list as the base C6 (I still see no Z06 in that list) does that mean that also BMW and Porsche are crap? You avoided to answer that question.

Congaman · 26th April 2007, 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by M5_4EVER

I think the book "Hooked on Phonics" might work for you. Do you see Corvette on the list? The Z06 is a Corvette Right

Please give me a brake. BMW has 3-series, 5-series, M3 and M5 ....different models . Corvette has C6 and C6 Z06. Also different models. As you didn't care much about the M3 being on the list.....I don't care much about the C6 being there. Do you get my point?

This thread is about the M6 Vs Z06....not the base C6....just as a reminder.

stil · 26th April 2007, 00:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Congaman

And as I clearly wrote above so is not the case. The chassis on the Z06 is aluminum and magnesium. On the base C6 it is steel. Please read before making claims that I didn't pay attention. And come to think of it....if you look at my list there are not many relevant parts remaining to be the same for the base C6 and the Z06.......or what do you say.

Yes I know that you wrote Biased and I used bribed. But your are also suggesting that the actual owners, it is their ratings you can see in my links above, would be biased on the same ground as Edmunds and the other magazines you mention....i.e. taking money to give a good rating = Bribed in my book....and that goes only for the Corvette....not the BMW and other cars...

. Also look again....Edmunds own rating is lower than that given by the owners. GM must be paying to little. (?!)

Also....as BMW and Porsche are on the same crappy car list as the base C6 (I still see no Z06 in that list) does that mean that also BMW and Porsche are crap? You avoided to answer that question.

Actually, I don't think either car is on that list. Note, on the BMW side, it specifically calls out the M3, but does not call out the M5, just the 5 series V8.

I also don't see the Corvette Z06 in that list as well. If we want to say the Z06 is on the list, then should we say theM5 is too, since the M5 is a 5 series?

Or are you saying the M cars are classified as a different model line altogether as the BMW page lists it that way.

Does Chevy clump the Z06 as a Corvette model line, or does it say it's a different model?

Congaman · 26th April 2007, 00:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by stil

Actually, I don't think either car is on that list. Note, on the BMW side, it specifically calls out the M3, but does not call out the M5, just the 5 series V8.

I also don't see the Corvette Z06 in that list as well. If we want to say the Z06 is on the list, then should we say theM5 is too, since the M5 is a 5 series?

Or are you saying the M cars are classified as a different model line altogether as the BMW page lists it that way.

Does Chevy clump the Z06 as a Corvette model line, or does it say it's a different model?

If your questions are directed to me I must say that I agree with all you say. I don't see the M5 in the list....also I don't see the Z06 there....that's my point. M5_4EVER may have some other point.....I just can't see it yet.