How does the new BMW M5 stack up against Porsche, Audi and others? - The Unofficial BMW M5 Messageboard (m5board.com)

M5 Powe 507 HP · 10th May 2006, 07:43

Dear 001,

Check out this comparison...

Audi RS4 vs. The Rest - Interesting data
The Swedish magazine AUTOMOBIL tested the new Audi RS4.

The have their own "A-Test" with different measuremennt as seen below.

As you can see the Audi RS4 does very well - (much) better than I had expected. It reaches Top 5 or Top 10 in most areas, and the competition is very hard!

The verdict for the Audi RS4 was:
"The RS4 is a compromise in harmony between winter capability and your racing license"
The one and only drawback was that they felt the RS4 lacked enough feedback in the steering wheel and pedals. But what you get instead is the possibility to load your car full with stuff, four passangers in comfort in every possible weahter, nothing the BMW M3 can't boast with.

The car was on Pirelli PZero Rossos. 255/35/19

The list is far from complete, but it gives you an idea.

* 0-100 km/h
1) Audi RS4 4.6
2) BMW M5 4.7
3) BMW M6 / Porsche 997 Carrera S 4.8
5) MB E55 AMG Wagon 4.9
6) BMW M3 CS 5.4
32) Volvo V70 T5 8.2

* 0-200 km/h
1) BMW M6 13.6
2) BMW M5 14.3
3) MB E55 AMG Wagon 15.0
4) Audi RS4 15.8
9) BMW M3 CS 18.8
24) Volvo V70 T5 30.3

* Quarter mile (402 m)
1) BMW M5 12.7
2) BMW M6 12.8
3) Audi RS4 12.8
4) MB E55 AMG Wagon 12.9
9) BMW M3 CS 13.6
32) Volvo V70 T5 15.9

* 200 - 0 km/h (brakes)
1) Porsche 997 Carrera S 136,1 m
4) BMW M5 142,6 m
5) BMW M3 CS 146,0
7) MB E55 AMG Wagon 148,2
8) Audi RS4 148,6
9) BMW M6 149,6

* Highest speed the car can handle in a bend with 50 m radius:

1) Porsche 997 Carrera S 84 km/h
Split 7:th place) Audi RS4 81 km/h
Split 10:th place) BMW M6 - BMW M3 CS 80 km/h
33) Volvo V70 T5

* Side acceleration (50 m radius)

2) Porsche 997 Carrera S 1.13g
7) Audi RS4 1.04g
10) BMW M6 1.02
17) BMW M5 - BMW 330 Cayenne Turbo 0.98

* Slalom speed. Straigh slalom 25 m distance between cones:

2) Porsche 997 Carrera S 93 km/h
3) Lotus Elise 111R 92 km/h
4) Audi RS4 91 km/h
7) BMW M6 90 km/h
9) BMW M3 CS 89 km/h
20) BMW M5 86 km/h
33) MB E55 AMG Wagon 81 km/h

* Side acceleration. Highest side acceleration in the 25 m slalom.
2) Porsche 997 Carrera S
4) BMW M6
5) Audi RS4
10) Lotus Elise 111R
13) BMW M3 CS
19) BMW M5
31) MB E55 AMG Wagon

* A-Sprint (special track)
2) Porsche 997 Carrera S 53,2 secs
3) Lotus Elise 111R 53,7 secs
5) BMW M6 54,4 secs
6) Audi RS4 54,5 secs
13) BMW M3 CS 56,0
BMW M5 not tested

Source: AUTOMOBIL via RS6.com

e60beast · 10th May 2006, 07:52

Great post.

I see the RS4 faired pretty well... its a nice looking car, just too bad it boils down to being a $100k Audi A4...

TireBurn · 10th May 2006, 16:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by e60beast

Great post.

I see the RS4 faired pretty well... its a nice looking car, just too bad it boils down to being a $100k Audi A4...

What is MSRP on the RS4? I thought it was going to be around $80k.

3D SFG-A MCO · 10th May 2006, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by TireBurn

What is MSRP on the RS4? I thought it was going to be around $80k.

Try getting one for MSRP!

abster · 10th May 2006, 16:27

Good for Audi but what I don't get is that the RS4 or any other 4 wheel drive can't get anywhere with the z-rated stock tires in snow.

In Sweden, you have to switch to snow tires in the "dark" months but in the US we have no such requirement. In that case, the M3, M4 and all the high performance Audi's are all bascially big hockey pucks.

If you switch to snows, then all the BMW's are very good good in snow like any other car.

I can just see someone buying the RS4 and boasting about the 4 wheel capabilities without understanding that without the right tires, they are screwed!

w8pmc · 10th May 2006, 17:01

On a UK Motoring Programme last week (5th Gear), they pitched the new RS4 up against an M3CS & the results went like this.

Drag race the RS4 won by quite a margin.
Drifting the M3CS won by a country mile, as the only drift the RS4 could manage was almost a 90 degree angle for a very short period then it would snap back into shape (quite amazed how it got to 90 degrees & could still remain under control).
Final test was a head to head lap round a fairly twisty track & the RS4 won but not by much & the M3 was catching. The RS4 got a 5-6 car length lead from the start given it's hige power advantage, but the handling played back into the M3's hands & by the end of the lap the M3 was only 1 car length behind.

I know this is hardly an M5, but the drivers (ex-motorsport) comments went that the RS4 was not very involving & although quick was far from being a true drivers car & the M3 was just great fun.

Coming from a highly modified RS6, i can confirm that the RS models are excellent point & squirt cars & can be insanly quick however they are not what you could call involving.

w8pmc · 10th May 2006, 18:05

Just found this as an updated Nurburgring Lap Time Stats.

It shows the new RS4 is a good few seconds quicker round the Ring.

However it's worth pointing out that the RS4 was driven by none other than Frank Stippler who at the very worst is a Ring veteran & knows the track probably as well as Sabine (Ring Taxi) & the M5 was driven by a Motoring Journo, so with experience being the biggest factor for that track, you'd expect the M5 if driven by Frank to be much further up the rankings. The other thing the stats don't show is weather & even traffic conditions, as many cars are tested during public days. Bottom line though is the new RS4 made quite a showing & can be seen on the stats to have dispatched some very heavy weight competition.
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=67305
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/04)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:56* - 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:56.50 155.594 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.65 155.569 km/h – Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.73* 155.569 km/h -- Honda NSX-R (*Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not complete)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/98)
7:58 --- 156.652 km/h -- Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) http://www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.ph...16841&t=16841\
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 97)
7:59.41 154.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec.C "prototype" (2004), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:01.72 153.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:02 --- 153.858 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Sport”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 04)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 07/00)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 12/02)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard”, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=36440
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ruf CTR, http://www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/V...rburgring1.wmv
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)
8:06.01 152.589 km/h -- Subaru WRX Sti C-spec (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:07 --- 152.279 km/h -- Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 PS/1724 kg (sport auto 06/98)
8:07.76 152.041 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg, Prinz Luitpold von Bayern (AutoBild 02/06)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg (sport auto 12/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=63338
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg (sport auto 08/02)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Modena , 400 PS/1464 kg (sport auto 10/99)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo SV, 520 PS/1590 kg (sport auto 12/97)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear 02/05)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/97)
8:10 --- 151.347 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:10.75 151.265 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version III sedan (1996), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:11 --- 151,274 km/h -- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Best Motoring video 14)
8:11* -- 151,274 km/h -- Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/97)
8:33 --- 150.426 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE 50 (sport auto 10/05)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS/1324 kg (sport auto 05/99)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/04)
8:14 --- 150.120 km/h -- Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=23337
8:14.98 149.824 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII GSR MR 8 (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h – BMW Z4 M Roadster, 343 PS/1485 kg, http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/driven/..._roadster.html
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Alpina Roadster S, 300 PS/1416 kg (sport auto 6/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=44295
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=46738
8:15* -- 149.818 km/h -- Holden GTS (00), *estimated
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera 2, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 hp
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 PS (sport auto 11/97)
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer V8 Topster, 450 PS/1557kg (sport auto 01/05) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=18724
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- Aston Martin DB9, 457hp (sport auto 11/04) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=10114
8:16.15 149.471 km/h -- Honda NSX (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Aston Martin V12 Vanquish, 515 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 01/03)

Gustav · 14th May 2006, 14:22

The RS4 is more of a match against the old M5 than the new M5. We did some fats short comparison with the E39 M5 and the RS4:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...71395013&q=rs4

Also the Sport Auto Supertest confirms this with a 0-200 km/h in 16,9 s.
Of course being a new and lighter car the car has a better road holding on the ring than the M5, esp. the old M5. However the times set on the Nordschleife wwas with the optiona sport suspension and optinal carbon brakes.

M Power · 15th May 2006, 20:53

Either way.. optional brakes / suspension / expert driver .. that is a great time to post .. It might not be as involving as a M3 / M5 etc .. but it will make a good challenge to us in the real world..

SUPRA · 15th May 2006, 21:07

LOL!

This is a copy of a post I made a couple of days ago.

And the RS4 time with Frank Stipler is not from 8200rpm but from me here:
http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread....&highlight=758

I'm flattered, someone is copying me

Think about it: The RS4 is as fast as the Ferrari 360 Modena (sport auto times, same driver, known conditions etc.)