"BMW has sold out of M5 and M6 models for next year.........

jais46 · 22nd December 2005, 20:08

......... - there's now a 12 month waiting list"

This from the "news" area of BMW2002.com under Other News (13/11/05).

http://www.bmw2002.co.uk/news.htm

Interesting since there is a lot of talk on this board with regards to unsold M5s sitting on dealer lots.

m_five · 22nd December 2005, 20:31

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Originally Posted by jais46

......... - there's now a 12 month waiting list"

This from the "news" area of BMW2002.com under Other News (13/11/05).

http://www.bmw2002.co.uk/news.htm

Interesting since there is a lot of talk on this board with regards to unsold M5s sitting on dealer lots.

My experience is that with high end cars, the waiting lists in the UK are much longer than in the US, so it would not surprise me.

jais46 · 22nd December 2005, 20:37

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Originally Posted by m_five

My experience is that with high end cars, the waiting lists in the UK are much longer than in the US, so it would not surprise me.

Good point. My first reaction with regards to M5's and M6's being sold out was globally. Since this is a UK board they're probably referencing the UK situation.

I'd love to hear from our British friends on this.

Ashok Arora · 22nd December 2005, 20:46

Order today in the UK and you're looking at mid 2007 for delivery.

Having said that, there are plenty of 'slightly' used examples on the market, but would you buy a car that's been trashed by someone else and not in your preferred colour combination?!

m_five · 22nd December 2005, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Ashok Arora

Having said that, there are plenty of 'slightly' used examples on the market, but would you buy a car that's been trashed by someone else and not in your preferred colour combination?!

No thank you!

Filthy Monkey · 22nd December 2005, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Ashok Arora

Order today in the UK and you're looking at mid 2007 for delivery.

Having said that, there are plenty of 'slightly' used examples on the market, but would you buy a car that's been trashed by someone else and not in your preferred colour combination?!

Thanks, Ashok. you're doing wonders for our residuals!!

jfenley · 22nd December 2005, 21:22

My dealer told me that there are only 1,500 coming to the US in 2006. If this is true (is there a way to verify this??), then I would expect that dealers will be able to charge a premium because the supply will be very limited. There are cars sitting on some dealer lots now because a full year's allocation was shipped in a compressed time frame. Those cars will disappear fast.

PPG4 · 22nd December 2005, 22:02

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Originally Posted by jfenley

My dealer told me that there are only 1,500 coming to the US in 2006. If this is true (is there a way to verify this??), then I would expect that dealers will be able to charge a premium because the supply will be very limited. There are cars sitting on some dealer lots now because a full year's allocation was shipped in a compressed time frame. Those cars will disappear fast.

Published reports (eg Edmunds write up on the E60 M5) have indicated production to be 2000 per model year.

What I've heard from three seperate dealers (take it with a grain of salt) is that yes, the launch production for the US was front loaded to help alleviate the complaints about the high mark ups that accompanied the E46 M3 and E39 M5 launches in the US. The problem is they produced them so fast, that there were a number of people holding leases with another six months (or more) on high line cars so they weren't ready for delivery (this is how I got my car). In addition, there were a fair number of people with early production spots who decided to hold out for the standard manual.

As it relates to worldwide supply, I would bet that the launch production for the US took a larger percentage of the overall production in these initial months than it will later on...

m_five · 22nd December 2005, 22:46

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Originally Posted by jfenley

My dealer told me that there are only 1,500 coming to the US in 2006. If this is true (is there a way to verify this??), then I would expect that dealers will be able to charge a premium because the supply will be very limited. There are cars sitting on some dealer lots now because a full year's allocation was shipped in a compressed time frame. Those cars will disappear fast.

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Originally Posted by PPG4

Published reports (eg Edmunds write up on the E60 M5) have indicated production to be 2000 per model year.

What I've heard from three seperate dealers (take it with a grain of salt) is that yes, the launch production for the US was front loaded to help alleviate the complaints about the high mark ups that accompanied the E46 M3 and E39 M5 launches in the US. The problem is they produced them so fast, that there were a number of people holding leases with another six months (or more) on high line cars so they weren't ready for delivery (this is how I got my car). In addition, there were a fair number of people with early production spots who decided to hold out for the standard manual.

As it relates to worldwide supply, I would bet that the launch production for the US took a larger percentage of the overall production in these initial months than it will later on...

Do a search--I've posted the yearly E39 M5 US sales numbers a few times. Unless BMW decides to reduce E60 vs. E39 M5 US sales (not likely, since AMG production basically doubled this vs. last generation--11,500 in 2000, to >20,000 in 2004 worldwide), there's simply no way 1,500 or 2,000 per year in the US.

I would agree that the first several months of US sales were abnormally high (some dealers getting 5, 6, 7+ cars per month). The first full year of E39 M5 US sales ('00) was ~3,000...I'd be surprised if it weren't 4,000+ for 2006.

That would be less than 1/dealer/month on average.

The days of BMW M and AMG limited production are over. That segment of the market has exploded and BMW would be foolish not to participate. Anything to the contrary is dealer BS.

jfenley · 22nd December 2005, 23:21

Time will obviously tell, but from what it is sounding like, dealers DO have waiting lists now, and not enough allocation spots to fill orders. This could obviously change later in '06. But my dealer says 1500 for '06 and somewhat more in '07. They sell a lot of cars and have a big allocation, but they have gone back to over-sticker pricing, after letting the last three go at sticker. I don't think they would do this if they had plentiful cars on the way. Maybe they can't produce the e60 m5's as fast as the e39's - it is a much more complex car - production could be ramping up for larger numbers in late 06 thru 08/09. Just my thoughts - I'm not saying I'm right - just guesses.