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Autocar: M5 beats Ferrari F430

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anyone read it and can tell us more?

 
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#4 ·
Does not come out on official release in the shops until tomorrow morning...but you can sometimes get it in the late afternoon...
 
#5 ·
I am interested in what they meant by beat Ferrari F430, surely they don't mean the performance (a recent article on motortrend showed 0 to 60mph of 3.8sec., sub 12 sec. in 1/4 mile if I remember correctly, the one about vs. Ford GT). If they're talking about the overall package, then I don't know if I would buy it since this two car so drmatically different.

P.S. but I would still like to read the article, of course :D
 
#12 ·
both cars are totally in different class. simply comparing them is absolutely stupid. if i were given a choice, i would choose both. i can drive F430 on the weekends and drive M5 for everyday use..lets say going to work.

plus..im a ferrari & bmw fan :D

p.s. - since M5 kicked all saloon's ***, i hope M5 will be ready to face the upcoming Audi RS6.
 
#13 ·
Please please please....Autocar is not a serious mag...as car and driver...

In Italy, on QUATTRORUOTE of May there were the test of both cars.
M5
0-100 4,8
0-200 14,1
0-400m 12,8
0-1000m 22,4
100-0 35m
200-0 145,1m
time on track 1.22.421

F430
0-100 3,6
0-200 12,5
0-400m 11,6
0-1000m 21,2
100-0 33,3m
200-0 133,2m
time on track 1.19.307

Quattroruote is iso 9001 certified for test
 
#14 ·
solard said:
both cars are totally in different class. simply comparing them is absolutely stupid. if i were given a choice, i would choose both. i can drive F430 on the weekends and drive M5 for everyday use..lets say going to work.

plus..im a ferrari & bmw fan :D

p.s. - since M5 kicked all saloon's ***, i hope M5 will be ready to face the upcoming Audi RS6.
Afraid on performance wise we going to get kicked :mad: . If it’s going to be V10 Bi-turbo boy it going to fly away especially with 4wd from stand still
 
#15 ·
well, obviously they want to make it faster than the E60 M5.
If the rumours are true, with other words : Bi-turbo gallardo V10 in the Audi Rs6 i bet it will get at least more than 550 BHP, but the 4wd consumes more power than a RWD. As the gallardo weighs 1430Kg, and the old RS6 was 1840Kg i really think they need a lot of extra power from that engine to keep similar performance.
 
#17 ·
I dont think the new RS6 will get bi-turbo, they already abandoned it in new S4 and new RS4.
Its wierd if RS6 is the only top audi with bi-turbo and other models without. so no, the new Rs6 wont get a bi-turbo.
 
#18 ·
bmw beats ferrari for
speed
handling
value
not for noise

Article basically says a ferrri 430 is unablle to open a gap on an m5 on any road,and on a motorway will lose out.

m5 ..0-60 4.6,0-100 9.8,0-150 21.0
430..0-60 4.4,0-100 9,4,0-150 21.5

they say the ferrari is more special,but argue that a car costing £130,000 should be able to walk away form a saloon costing £63000,and thatit isn't able to do that.
 
#19 ·
markf said:
bmw beats ferrari for
speed
handling
value
not for noise

Article basically says a ferrri 430 is unablle to open a gap on an m5 on any road,and on a motorway will lose out.

m5 ..0-60 4.6,0-100 9.8,0-150 21.0
430..0-60 4.4,0-100 9,4,0-150 21.5

they say the ferrari is more special,but argue that a car costing £130,000 should be able to walk away form a saloon costing £63000,and thatit isn't able to do that.
handling? whats their definition of handling?
 
#20 ·
Just some thoughts

How about the M6 then? Its supposed to be a tad faster than the M5!

How about handling and feel?

There is such a thing as diminishing returns. There are people who would say they would get a Subaru WRX or Mitsubishi Evo and save all that money from a M car.

Like I said the M delivers a great mix of value (when compared to the super cars it can hang with) and comfort and luxury. But I think if I were lucky enough to drive both the M5 and F430 I would expect the F430 would be a more special experience. That's what you pay for. Is it worth it? Entirely subjective. Btw- Road & Track said the F430 does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds....
 
#21 ·
andreadebi said:
Please please please....Autocar is not a serious mag...as car and driver...

In Italy, on QUATTRORUOTE of May there were the test of both cars.
M5
0-100 4,8
0-200 14,1
0-400m 12,8
0-1000m 22,4
100-0 35m
200-0 145,1m
time on track 1.22.421

F430
0-100 3,6
0-200 12,5
0-400m 11,6
0-1000m 21,2
100-0 33,3m
200-0 133,2m
time on track 1.19.307

Quattroruote is iso 9001 certified for test
HAHA! Ur a funny Guy!

am i right or does Quattroroute sound a bit ITALIAN!!! :mad:

or was ferrari german? :hihi:
 
#22 ·
huh? gallardo uses bi-turbo V10? i thought gallardo uses normal aspirated (NA) V10 engine...thats sad...because im always a huge fan of NA engines...

yeah..that would be good if they compare F430 with an M6. suits well.

oh? RS6 wont use bi-turbo V10? I thought i heard it through some mags that they are going to use bi-turbo V10 for the RS6. then what kind of engine they use for the new RS4 then? NA? or bi-turbo?

ive yet to see an AC-Schnitzer version of the M5 E60..heehee :p
 
#23 ·
solard said:
oh? RS6 wont use bi-turbo V10? I thought i heard it through some mags that they are going to use bi-turbo V10 for the RS6. then what kind of engine they use for the new RS4 then? NA? or bi-turbo?
new RS4 uses NA thast why I dont think RS6 gonna get bi-turbo. Make no sense
 
#24 ·
Here are some quotes from the Autocar article:

"..when the F430 reached its zenith, the M5 gripped harder, composed itself better, covered the ground faster"


"Make no mistakel the F430 is still one of the greatest sports cars of our time, and indeed of all time. But quite where that puts the new M5 is difficult to imaging. From another world is the best I can do. Roll credits, cue music, the end."

"Okay, I can hear what all you so-called Tifosi and Ferrari aficionados are no doubt screaming right now; that Ferraris are about an awful lot more than pure speed, and in any case if you want to go really, really fast then buy a Caterham or a Radical or a motorbike. But come on; don't tell me someone who's happy to spray £130,000 in the direction of a F430, complete with carbon brakes and sports interior as this particular example was, will be happy to be blown off the road by a BMW. With four people on board. And a bootful of luggage. No, I don't reckon they will be either"
 
#25 ·
andreadebi said:
Please please please....Autocar is not a serious mag...as car and driver...

In Italy, on QUATTRORUOTE of May there were the test of both cars.
M5
0-100 4,8
0-200 14,1
0-400m 12,8
0-1000m 22,4
100-0 35m
200-0 145,1m
time on track 1.22.421

F430
0-100 3,6
0-200 12,5
0-400m 11,6
0-1000m 21,2
100-0 33,3m
200-0 133,2m
time on track 1.19.307

Quattroruote is iso 9001 certified for test
Allegedly, from an inside source, Ferrari (as allegedly with the Enzo) made sure they tweaked and tuned the first LHD press cars to the max just to get the official figures. In reality, the RHD production versions "seem" to be a little slower and less responsive. Obviously this is mere speculation...:haha:
 
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