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post #121 of 205 Old 17th June 2005, 01:55 PM
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Re: Autocar: M5 beats Ferrari F430

one more thing..the 430 is virtuallt identical to the gallardo in performance form all the tests ive read.....look at the the post on the m6 board with the comparison between the m6 and gallardo and Viper,the M6 kicks the butt of the gallardo bigtime in a straight line..so it makes more sense,the M5 could pull from the 430.

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post #122 of 205 Old 18th June 2005, 04:10 AM
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7:52 is the official Nurburgring lap time published also by BMW Motorsport Dircector Mario Theissen on Premiere World before the Australian F1 Race!!!
Is 7:44 the official Nurburgring lap time for the M6?
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post #123 of 205 Old 18th June 2005, 05:46 PM
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Didn't the author say that the F430 didn't feel as fast/responsive as a previous F430 that he had driven?
isnt this what ive just said!!!

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post #124 of 205 Old 19th June 2005, 05:04 AM
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Re: Autocar: M5 beats Ferrari F430

Where is the proof that Ferrari modified the other F430s?
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post #125 of 205 Old 19th June 2005, 02:33 PM
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The older I get, the more impatience I have for such comparisons. Take it to the track. On a high-speed circuit, I'd be very surprised if the M5 won. On a low-speed circuit, forget about it. There is no possible way. The laws of physics still apply.

Said differently, you can't have one car that does everything. You can come close, but there will always be compromises. If you have room in the garage and can afford it, buy a true sports car. No sedan will touch it in terms of the involvement and joy (read: size of the grin plastered on your face). Nor will any car make you a better driver faster than a car optimized for the track. It takes 2 very different cars when faced with a need to either cover great distances comfortably and quickly (you need to be isolated from "road feel") vs. a need to improve one's driving abilities and/or feed the enthusiast's one-with-the-machine appetite quickly (you need all the road feel you can get).

If one derives great joy from overtaking others on a public highway, good for them. But I have to say, I'm not sure those folks "get it" yet. There's much more to the joy of driving waiting to be discovered. Don't get me wrong, I love the new M5 and can't wait to get one. Would I give up my purpose-built sports car (currently a GT3) for it? No way. These comparisons are goofy.
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Re: Autocar: M5 beats Ferrari F430

I only read half the tread... On a race track I do ot expect to keep up with and F430 in my E60M5... But this was a test of these cars on real world roads where the roads are not glass smooth and so high grip. Both these cars depend heavily on the cars driver systems to keep up the pace and apparently on real roads the BMW is better. You have to remember that Ferraris are a difficult car to master and balance. Even with these new drivers aids you still hear about many accidents when drivers have gotten in wrong. The E60 ///M5 is the easier car to drive and it's limits although high are easier for the average driver to reach. Therefore making it the faster car on again real roads.BTW I'm a huge Ferrari fan but instead of getting an F355 or a 360 I'm on the E60 ///M5 list.
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MWM, 100% agree with you.

But then again i wouldnt trade my elise for gt3 for same resons you wouldnt trade your gt3 for m5.
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MWM well put!

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Re: Autocar: M5 beats Ferrari F430

MWM - My sentiments also - these comparisons make no real sense to me - horses for courses.
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post #130 of 205 Old 20th June 2005, 03:16 PM
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Re: Autocar: M5 beats Ferrari F430

While they make no sense, it is a huge positive for BMW and a huge negative for Ferrari. That the M5 can even be compared to Ferrari's latest and hold with it so well (not restarting the which is faster debate) really says alot about that car.

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