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post #31 of 92 Old 11th February 2017, 06:36 PM
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It needs money alright. But I wouldn't describe it as a pit.
A LOT of people throw thousands at these cars for preventative maintenance. You can take your chances, regularly maintain and look after it and you won't need to do this, but eventually you will have do some more serious maintenance. that is the cost of owning these type of cars.
I knew they needed money when I bought it, but wasn't expecting to have to throw money at it in such high quantities in such a short amount of time.
Spend the extra money and get a top notch one, then don't be tight on the servicing. You will NEVER avoid high costs with this type of car. You just won't. But you can certainly put them off for as long as possible.

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Vanos solenoids... Price hasn't come down much. It's a killer.

I've been breaking down some engines, keeping a lot of the spares "just in case..."

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In the end I settled on a 2007 with 63,000 miles and most importantly a 6 speed manual transmission.
Your'e kidding - they offered this car with a proper manual transmission!? i didn't know this I suddenly want one now

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Yup, money pit, especially if you mod, think I've spent £15k or so in 18 months.
HOLY wow....are you for real??! I'm guessing a full engine rebuild from ground up, right? New crank too?

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I steer clear of any used high end car with aftermarket stuff on it and not surprisingly I've never had an issue. Here's a pro tip: anything with blacked out tail light and especially that goofy front tint strip will murder you in maintenance cost.
While not the case all of the time, it certainly can be most of the time. You can always tell by the standard of the work carried out in modifications and also the quality of the parts (ie, fit and finish) because bad fitment, tends to correlate with bad maintenance.
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6MT is only in North America, so hopefully you're here.

That said, to answer your question, this car IS a money pit. There's simply no argument or consideration - that's just a fact.

People have different ownership experiences due to timing (aka luck). Some might own the car and never experience any major failures and simply just do regular maintenance. Some might inherit a car that was neglected (unknowingly or knowingly) and have a major failure in the first week of their ownership. I would say because this car does have a few quirks, it can make it difficult to detect when something is not right. I've been fortunate to drive quite a few examples (FiftyTwoEighty's 6MT above, randywei's, YKJones', M5Jed's, kheimlich's, and a couple others I don't remember right now). Because of that, I was confident my car ran right, and I was also able to tell when something was off. I was even able to detect a few anomalies on kheimlich's car and he got it fixed under warranty.

But the simple fact is that if you own the car for a long period and actually drive it a decent amount, you will be paying for some big repair or maintenance. Additionally, if you want the best reliability and service life from the car, you'll need to maintain it better than the factory service intervals. The 15K mile oil changes are a joke. Most people do about 5K intervals, some do 3K. You'll want to do the spark plugs every 17.5K, not 35K as in the manual, for maximum performance.

In the end though, the big question is: Is all this worth it?

If you have the money to spare, the answer is unequivocally YES. No other car offers this kind of driving experience combined with the luxury and practicality. No other car. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just plain lying to themselves. I had 7 years with this car and EVERY single time I drove it, it blew me away. I have yet to drive a car that comes close.

The M5 is my dad's - but I drive it more than he does!

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Ehhh just about any modern car will get to 100k with minimal issues - given that most CPO programs warranty through that mark, all parts are engineered with a lifetime of at least that.

Per Fiftytwoeighty's original argument, there's a very high correlation between people crying money pit and their cars having a million "look at me" type of mods (slammed suspension, huge wheels, vinyl on everything etc) and maintenance that isn't anywhere near commensurate with how much they rag on the cars.

I steer clear of any used high end car with aftermarket stuff on it and not surprisingly I've never had an issue. Here's a pro tip: anything with blacked out tail light and especially that goofy front tint strip will murder you in maintenance cost.
LOL! You are describing my car's appearance - I must be the exception if anything I am overly critical and anal about maintenance.
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6MT is only in North America, so hopefully you're here.

That said, to answer your question, this car IS a money pit. There's simply no argument or consideration - that's just a fact.

People have different ownership experiences due to timing (aka luck). Some might own the car and never experience any major failures and simply just do regular maintenance. Some might inherit a car that was neglected (unknowingly or knowingly) and have a major failure in the first week of their ownership. I would say because this car does have a few quirks, it can make it difficult to detect when something is not right. I've been fortunate to drive quite a few examples (FiftyTwoEighty's 6MT above, randywei's, YKJones', M5Jed's, kheimlich's, and a couple others I don't remember right now). Because of that, I was confident my car ran right, and I was also able to tell when something was off. I was even able to detect a few anomalies on kheimlich's car and he got it fixed under warranty.

But the simple fact is that if you own the car for a long period and actually drive it a decent amount, you will be paying for some big repair or maintenance. Additionally, if you want the best reliability and service life from the car, you'll need to maintain it better than the factory service intervals. The 15K mile oil changes are a joke. Most people do about 5K intervals, some do 3K. You'll want to do the spark plugs every 17.5K, not 35K as in the manual, for maximum performance.

In the end though, the big question is: Is all this worth it?

If you have the money to spare, the answer is unequivocally YES. No other car offers this kind of driving experience combined with the luxury and practicality. No other car. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just plain lying to themselves. I had 7 years with this car and EVERY single time I drove it, it blew me away. I have yet to drive a car that comes close.
Well said!
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LOL! You are describing my car's appearance - I must be the exception if anything I am overly critical and anal about maintenance.
Heh with that bolt on blower I'm pretty sure that pro tip will be spot-on for whoever buys your car

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HOLY wow....are you for real??! I'm guessing a full engine rebuild from ground up, right? New crank too?
Nope.....

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Some might inherit a car that was neglected (unknowingly or knowingly) and have a major failure in the first week of their ownership
Yep.

My car broke down 5 minutes and 1 mile after I bought it and cost me £1500 to repair, and it still wasn't fully serviceable. And still isn't now after the first few months.

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More luck...
I got mine for thousands less than market value so it still puts a smile on my face, even though I'm only driving it about 100 miles per month right now until I can afford ot get plenty more work done on it. You could say mine is the exceptional case though, I know I bought a lemon.

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