Keyless go system for M5 - Page 3

MEnthusiast · 16th May 2005, 18:24

Tom,
I had to do a double take to see who wrote that about BT. I'm surprised. You know how easily hackable BT is and how the companies are having fits adapting phones to the in car systems. Can you imagine having your BT smart phone hacked, your home address found and your key code given away- the thieves would love it.

M! · 16th May 2005, 18:27

i disagree too. there are a lot of high expectations from M5 buyers, who would expect these 'normal' things to be there when their other cars have them.
you are correct that perhaps the thousands of average (118i) buyers are less demanding.

m630's point is that, these things should have been planned and the suppliers be readied for prior to marketing and production.

vndkshn · 16th May 2005, 18:33

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Originally Posted by m630

..but my real point is that BMW seems now under the Bangle era to overlook too many refinement things in the initial cars brought to market and that is a real problem.

Why does everyone automatically jump to the conclusion that Bangle is the reason that the car doesn't have this or that?

The E39 did not have them originally, they were added later. Surely the facelift will address LEDs. And people will complain, but then alot will go out and buy the new assemblies and retrofit them, or buy a facelifted model. A win-win for BMW.

I think one thing to keep in mind.. how many new systems are being introduced on the M5? The engine, computer, trans, rear end, EDC, m-drive, the list goes on an on. Why invite more potential problems, which surely Keyless Go would have caused.

MEnthusiast · 16th May 2005, 19:06

My own opinion is people want it all and idrive and similar systems are the manufacturers' attempt to give it to us.

M! · 16th May 2005, 19:53

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Originally Posted by vndkshn

...I think one thing to keep in mind.. how many new systems are being introduced on the M5? The engine, computer, trans, rear end, EDC, m-drive, the list goes on an on. Why invite more potential problems, which surely Keyless Go would have caused.

in retrospect, then why did we have electric windows, ABS, HID, etc etc?

i think the M5 defines Performance Luxury sports sedan.

if keyless go or comfort access is very new and unproven, might be potential problem.

SuperBMW · 16th May 2005, 20:29

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Originally Posted by m630

i disagree on the little things, as I would expect that when an owner of the first M5s see the newer cars with the little extras, it will greatly annoy...

...but my real point is that BMW seems now under the Bangle era to overlook too many refinement things in the initial cars brought to market and that is a real problem.

EX.. the comfort access is not something brand new for BMW, the 7er has had it as an option for some time now, so I would think that this should be included in the M5 from inception...also, on the rear LEDs, the 7 has had them for years, the E39 even had them, the E63 and E90 have them, why wouldnt the E60s / M5s not have it? it isnt a big technology hurdle to include them that would have further delayed the car, but it is a flaw from the inception of the E60 design and quite annoying as it is a real identifier of the design... i just dont understand how they could miss these things? and believe me, the first time you see an M5 from the rear with the eventual LEDs, your blood will boil if yours does not have them... jmho...

The E39 only had LED look, not real LED's
The E90 doesnt have LED

Only the E46 3 Series coupe/cabrio ,6 Series and 7 Series has

A study in europe last year found most people dont like a car with LED's infront of them and find them too bright, hence why a lot of european manufacturers are only using them as 3rd brake lights, and why BMW has not used them for the indicators on the newer cars ( E46 coupe/cabrio used them as indicator lights )

Also I find LED look bad after a while when a nuber of LED's start failing, but people dont replace them because you have to replace the whole panel at a massive cost

Whats wrong with a normal bulb ?

simmikie · 16th May 2005, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Maggo

This "retangular thingy" will replace the "real" key in the E60.
Then there will be the start/stop button added.

Keyless go is optional. (not standart)

I guess the next step is the car will just go to work in your place?

my take
simmikie

vndkshn · 16th May 2005, 20:55

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Originally Posted by M!

in retrospect, then why did we have electric windows, ABS, HID, etc etc?

Simple, how long have BMW had electric windows, ABS, HID, etc, etc? Proven technology, so, less risk of them causing problems.

I also find the average LED lights to be too bright, to the point of being blinding, especially late at night with tired eyes.

m630 · 16th May 2005, 21:18

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Originally Posted by SuperBMW

The E39 only had LED look, not real LED's
The E90 doesnt have LED

Only the E46 3 Series coupe/cabrio ,6 Series and 7 Series has

A study in europe last year found most people dont like a car with LED's infront of them and find them too bright, hence why a lot of european manufacturers are only using them as 3rd brake lights, and why BMW has not used them for the indicators on the newer cars ( E46 coupe/cabrio used them as indicator lights )

Also I find LED look bad after a while when a nuber of LED's start failing, but people dont replace them because you have to replace the whole panel at a massive cost

Whats wrong with a normal bulb ?

i dont like to disagreee, but actually, both the E39 and the E90 DO have (had) rear LED's, they are just not the same as on most cars you see.... they are much nicer in that they are not merely points of light, they actually are used to illuminate the light fixture to give it the glowing look, ...just look at the face lifted E39s/M5s and you will see what i mean...the same set up is in the new E90, i've seen it so i know its the case... and as a matter of praticality, LEDs last atleast 10times longer than standard incandescent bulbs, so you shouldnt have to worry about chaning them...

it not only looks better, it also assists in safety as the response time for the brake lights is quicker with LEDs, (hence the reason that every car manuafacturer is going in this direction, not merely for design asthetics) and the millisecond response time difference can make all the difference when most needed under emergency braking....

SuperBMW · 16th May 2005, 21:29

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Originally Posted by m630

i dont like to disagreee, but actually, both the E39 and the E90 DO have (had) rear LED's, they are just not the same as on most cars you see.... they are much nicer in that they are not merely points of light, they actually are used to illuminate the light fixture to give it the glowing look, ...just look at the face lifted E39s/M5s and you will see what i mean...the same set up is in the new E90, i've seen it so i know its the case... and as a matter of praticality, LEDs last atleast 10times longer than standard incandescent bulbs, so you shouldnt have to worry about chaning them...

it not only looks better, it also assists in safety as the response time for the brake lights is quicker with LEDs, (hence the reason that every car manuafacturer is going in this direction, not merely for design asthetics) and the millisecond response time difference can make all the difference when most needed under emergency braking....

Not fighting just stating facts

I have a brand new 330i E90 sitting down stairs, the only LED's in it are in the 3rd brake light

My 2003 M5 has no LED's, where are you seeing them ?