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post #41 of 363 Old 8th July 2016, 04:14 AM
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S85 Vanos Solenoids prices going crazy

We should contact Airtex directly to see what is going on. Part # 2T1083.

http://www.airtexve.com/ecatalog.html

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I found some at lower prices today and when I went back, I found that the prices had gone up 400%. I was also told that they were on backorder with no delivery date. I had an order in for an attractive price and several hours later the order was cancelled suddenly. What a PITA.

If there is no delivery date, then the manufacturer is not making them on a regular basis and I think a lot of people are going to be SOL when their Solenoids get scrambled with dying rod bearings.

I guess Troy or JColley are snapping them up where they find them.
Nope, I won't support that model at all.

Prices are changing as websites incorporate ETK data from BMW for the 7/1 release of pricing data. As always, ECS will be the first to update, I use them as my reference for retail pricing so I can calculate my own cost.

I have been discussing options with a few people today. I think an aftermarket manufacturer is needed to step up here, but not certain it makes sense for me to move in that direction right now. Finding an alternate source of solenoids is a stopgap measure to why they fail in first place and that is where I would rather focus effort. There is a reason the S85 eats these and the S65 doesn't. Causal analysis and confirmation will lead us to the answer.
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post #44 of 363 Old 8th July 2016, 01:20 PM
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While I laud your efforts, and those of others, I believe that this is a near impossibility. There are two many factors to cross-reference and eliminate. And even if the "main difference" is found between the S85 and S65 that leads to E60s eating solenoids for lunch, there is still the matter of resolution. Just look at throttle actuators. It's quite obvious just from my own ridiculously simple encounter with them that the circuit board dies slowly, by degrees. As it gets worse, it leads to creating a short across the motor contacts - but only in one direction. There has to be a diode somewhere in there....

None of this would matter, if they could still be cleaned. But even that seems impossible for these VANOS solenoids. I wonder if the manufacturer could share any insight into how to clean them or to keep them working longer?

Anyhow, I'm still going to stockpile solenoids where I find them at reasonable prices.
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My order with AutoHausAZ was just cancelled. "Their inventory was wrong"... Ordered from Pelican Parts. Went on-site and looked at the order a couple of hours later... "This order has been flagged with a problem". Ordered from RockAuto = we'll see on this....

I contacted Airtex today. They buy the part from BMW. They have nothing to do with pricing and nothing to do with the shortage. they do not manufacture the part.

I spent some time trying to figure out who did, and no dice. It's effectively blackmail to have the price go from $150 to $1500 in 4 or 5 years like this. And from $400 - $1500 in a matter of months.

Does anyone have any way to find out who manufactures this part? Maybe we can find alternatives once we know their part number.
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I also contacted airtex today aswell haha just now actually and went to talk to the main company of airtex as airtex is a brand of a larger company.

The guy told me they manufacture the part for bmw and do not set the prices.. BMW sets the prices..

Airtex told me that the most important thing to do is keep the oil clean and changed often to maintain the solenoids.

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Yeah. They said that to me too. Small consolation when your solenoids die anyway. I really cannot see shelling out $6000 (USD) for the 4 solenoids that I will need. The fact that BMW has raised the prices to this level, with the knowledge they have of all the problems in the E60 M5, is just criminal.

I know that on the Airtex site, they invite you to enter competitors part numbers and they will provide an alternative. I wonder who the competitors are and if THEY do the same thing. It would be satisfying to find a similar product that can substitute for the 2T1083 part that Airtex makes.

It's really in all of our interests to find another source if we can or else ALL OF US (because they fail 100% sooner or later) will be paying $6000 to keep driving these cars. That's half of a Troy Jeut engine, no?

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There is a reason the S85 eats these and the S65 doesn't. Causal analysis and confirmation will lead us to the answer.
Could that reason be that the S65 uses a different solenoid? Part number is 11367843117. They cost < $300 each. Of course, these wouldn't fit in our car given the difference in the nozzle.

Why DIDN'T BMW use the same Solenoid, given that the S65 is supposed to be an S85 with 2 cylinders chopped off? :dunno
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Your good humour in the face of this situation suggests that you have already replaced yours, or have 4 in hand.

I on the other hand do not like the risk of not having these critical parts on hand. I'll be ordering an SMG hydraulic pump motor as well - in case BMW decides to put the screws to those as well.
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