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post #1 of 14 Old 26th June 2016, 07:18 PM Thread Starter
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Driveline Shudder on takeoff and coming to a stop

Ok - so leaving the store today I noticed a driveline shudder today that has never happened before. It also did it when I slowed to come to a stop; happening during a complete stop - right before a complete stop.

I have not experienced any shifts that were more abrupt nor have I noticed any slipping in gears or any sounds that were not present before.

No codes have been thrown and the car shifts up and down as it should. I never drive her in D mode but did - the shudder at take off was not as prominent but that could be my imagination.

Also, depressing the throttle more than normal seems to help with the takeoff shudder.

It feels almost like a manual transmission that is lugging in gear.

I jumped on the forum and read up on the SMG reset - did it multiple times on a straight road and down hill since there seem to be several opinions on this.

I read up more on driveline shudder (judder) post, SMG feel, SMG Reset and "do I need a new clutch".

Before I jump to conclusions about the clutch which was not as bad as I thought - 750.00 for OEM reman from ECS - does anyone else have anything more substantive that you could add as possible culprits or things to check - I am about to email my indy as well for his opinion.

If it is the clutch what kind of labor hours am I looking at for the job?
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You can bring it to a bmw shop that can use the bmw software, DIS/INPA etc to do a Full 3 step clutch adaption.. See if that will either help or show of signs of more specific problems.

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You can bring it to a bmw shop that can use the bmw software, DIS/INPA etc to do a Full 3 step clutch adaption.. See if that will either help or show of signs of more specific problems.
Nice - thanks for the suggestion will try that and see if it helps.
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Update** 06/27/2016

After noticing only a slight shudder on takeoff - the beast started slipping this morning so parking it and ordering parts now -I have spoken with mechanic - and thank you to the board as I saw the SPEC DCT kit for SMGIII glad the forum has been watching this and some owners who tried it gave such good feedback - was seriously considering it.

Below find the parts bills for this surgery - oh well - it is what it is and you got to pay to play - this has been an expensive 100 days of ownership - BE Bearing and all the OEM upgrades plus all new front suspension components from Meyle HD, New rubber all around, both throttle and idle actuators replaced and now clutch - once this is done roughly 12K - OUCH! But I still love her ------- Grrrrrrrr
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So I dropped her off on Saturday and there haven't really been any unexpected complications until the test drive .......

Parts were ordered from ECS Tuning:

OEM Parts
1. Clutch fork lever
2. OEM Clutch Kit (clutch disk, pressure plate and throwout bearing)
3. 9 sprocket bolt
4. 1 rear crankshaft seal
5. 4 Torx bolts
6. 2 exhaust gasket rings
7. 4 header to exhaust nuts
8. 1 spring clip
9. 2 transmission mounts
10. 1 shaft seal
11. 1 universal flex disc "guibo"
12. driveshaft center support bearing
13. dual-mass flywheel
14. Throwout bearing guide tube

Non OEM

1. ECS performance clutch fork pivot pin (Brass)
2. Vaico driveshaft center sleeve

After reassembly and upon test drive at a stop yellow COG and sometimes red COG come on but after applying throttle warnings disappear and car shifts and behaves normally. After reading codes PLCD 510E and 510D for the clutch sensor and clearing adaptations out again the only fault stored now is 4F67.

Based on what I see in the forum is the fault related to the clutch slave cylinder? Apparently, when you do the adaptations the old cylinder doesn't like the new calibrations and throws out the new values. See below

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Going ahead and changing out the clutch sensor and slave cylinder - I better do it FAST before BMW jacks the price of these up like the VANOS solenoids
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So there is now 225 miles on new clutch and was a little more spirited with it today. All components were original OEM that was removed - I am actually surprised after seeing the condition of the clutch disc, flex disc, and slave cylinder.

I can only account for the last 36,000 miles, current mileage 94,586 - as I have stated in my other post - I still love this version of the M - IMO the S85 platform is my favorite - now that I saw the condition of some of the clutch components I see the build quality - when the clutch started failing it happened over a three day period and with an SMG reset allowed me to continue driving the car as well as driving 115 miles to drop off with service center. The SMG has shifted hard every sense I got her and honestly, I thought that's how she was supposed to shift - the clutch job in my mind was some of the BEST money I have spent on the M - this includes all the exhaust, intake, HFC's, Meyle HD front suspension, H&R, Tune with pulley etc ...... I never knew the SMG would perform like this - the shifts are buttery smooth and even using the gear selector is different - it doesn't feel as clunky and more refined - up shifts and down shifts are silky smooth - there isn't the bang into each gear it is much more linear in power feel ...... it has made me fall in love with my car all over again ..... see below for an original clutch and components with almost 95K- I can't believe 50% of the material is missing and 100% on one side - amazing the car still drove and did not leave me stranded -












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So you were "shuttering" upon driving away in 1st gear right? Was that the final stage prior to failure?

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So you were "shuttering" upon driving away in 1st gear right? Was that the final stage prior to failure?
Never failed even with 100% of clutch material missing from 50% of clutch surface - this includes driving her for a week awaiting parts and 118 mile drive to shop to drop off - only slipped under hard load.

Still having an intermittent fault that wasn't there before but trying to track it down now.
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