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Old 22nd April 2004, 13:44   #1
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E60 530i SMG

I spent about 30 minutes with an SMG E60 530i today. I was both very impressed and also completely turned off with the car.
The impressive part was how smooth the BMW SMG design can perform standing starts and very slow speed maneuvering. Something like a very slow gentle start and then immediately letting off the pedal (which is something where you would have to put in the clutch in order not to jerk/buck) was handled just perfectly. The M3 SMG is essentially the same in this respect also I believe.

Also impressive was the perfectly rev-matched downshifting the SMG performs. Even the downshift from 2nd to 1st at 25+mph (engaging 1st at high rpms) was perfect and smooth -- what a treat SMG must be on an autocross course(I had it set in "Sport" the whole time). None of this is new given the M3 SMG...just restating how SMG performs in the 530i.

The response to a gear selection is fairly quick, but even in Sport not as fast as you would expect. Going to SMG automated mode, it shifted reasonably well; however, anyone riding in the car (who thinks this is an automatic transmission car) wouldn't understand the shifting feeling, especially the 1-2 shift. After just a few minutes, I was perfectly modulating the throttle just a tiny bit, letting off just as it was shifting, and I got to the point where it was nice and smooth letting it shift in automated mode. The higher gear shifts, i.e. 2-3 and up, are not nearly an issue like this.

My biggest complaint about the SMG is that it only has four modes: auto, manual, sport-auto, sport-manual unlike the A1-5 and S1-6 on the E46 M3 SMG. Even in sport-manual with DSC off, it does not come close to the kick-*** shifting the E46 M3 SMG does with its lightning quick/tire-barking shifts in A5, S5 or S6. In that respect the 530i SMG felt like it shifted way too slow for maximum performance. If the 545i SMG performs similarly, I can promise real serious enthusiasts that they will not be completely satisfied with it. In other words, don't order the SMG on the 5-series without fully test driving it first, or at the least, don't expect it to compare to the M3 SMG at all.

The car of course had the sport package with Active Roll Stabilization and Active Steering. These two were pretty awesome in my short drive. ARS is totally seamless to the driver, but what you feel is an incredible response when you lay it into a corner...it feels essentially flat in the corners. The Active Steering I noticed most at very slow speeds where it takes hardly any movement of the wheel to get a lot of steering movement of the front wheels -- full lock in 3/4 of a turn. Parking is a snap and very easy. The strangest thing about Active Steering is how intuitive it felt at slow speeds. Given the reviews elsewhere, I did not expect that. I figured I would be noticing it constantly or something. I didn't evaluate it through stuff like a slow but increasing radius (and therefore speed) corner however, nor did I run it down the highway to get a sense of reported on-center feel issues. Compared to my M5, I don't think either one of these "features" are of great significance. One of the pros of ARS is that in straight ahead driving, the roll bars are at their least resistance setting so one side bumps should be much softer. Well, I hit some sharp bumps like that, and the input to the chassis was a bit more severe than I expected. I think the M5 over those same bumps might have actually been more "supple" and not transmit that "sharp" feeling/sound into the passenger compartment.

I did not care for the seats. My E39 M5 and my E39 540i sport both have very comfortable sport seats. In the E60, it felt like the region of the backrest at the bottom was too "puffy" right where it touches the seat bottom. I couldn't get my tail to feel like I was sitting "in" the seat as opposed to "on" the seat if that makes sense. I played with the lumbar adjustment (thinking that was the problem, i.e. thinking it was adjusted all the way down), but that didn't change this "issue" with me. My biggest issue however was that the headrest was not fore-aft rotate-able like in the E39 where you have maybe 30-40 degrees or more of rotation to help you get just the right fit. Hence, I felt like my head was too far forward compared to my upper back, and I simply could not get comfortable in the car. I can't imagine wearing a helmet in this seat as my upper back would likely be held off the seatback! I don't think (hope ) I'm an anomoly or something. I'm 6'2" tall and weigh 198 lbs.

To me the 530i felt dog slow, but I drove over there in the M5 which has boatloads of kick you in the gut torque just waiting to please you, so I can't really fault the 530 as the M5 has almost twice its power. However, I do fault it in the sense that BMW should not be building a $55k+ sports sedan without at least having a power to weight ratio similar to its competition (you have to buy the 545 for that). I can't imagine anyone buying a 525i who in any way is interested in spirited driving given its power/weight ratio. I think the C&D tests of the E60 530i 6-spd had something like 6.7 0-60 and 15.2@93mph 1/4 mile as I recall.

I don't really care for I-drive, but this one is a huge improvement over the one in the 7-series. Thankfully, BMW also puts the DSC button on the dash unlike the 7-series where you have to drill down through I-drive menu levels to get to it. I played a bit with I-drive and it wasn't too awful; however, I would prefer to have a traditional dash. I didn't care for the interior design with such things as the left door armrest ended too far forward and was uncomfortable.

At the end, it sure felt great to sit back down in the M5 and fire that mutha up . Not to mention the fact that people were checking out my LMB M5 while it was surrounded with E60's. I missed nothing about the ARS and AS once I was driving the M5 again. In fact, the M5 felt just about perfect

I look forward to driving the E60 M5, but I'm very mixed on my expectations for the car given this E60 experience. I sure hope the seats are significantly different in the M5 since the E39 sport seats are real close between the E39 540i sport and the M5.
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Old 22nd April 2004, 15:16   #2
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Re: E60 530i SMG

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I did not care for the seats. My E39 M5 and my E39 540i sport both have very comfortable sport seats. In the E60, it felt like the region of the backrest at the bottom was too "puffy" right where it touches the seat bottom.
Wonder if you got a car with the comfort seats... I have noticed this as well with these seats. The sport seats felt just like the ones in the e39 530i sport.
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To me the 530i felt dog slow, but I drove over there in the M5 which has boatloads of kick you in the gut torque just waiting to please you, so I can't really fault the 530 as the M5 has almost twice its power. However, I do fault it in the sense that BMW should not be building a $55k+ sports sedan without at least having a power to weight ratio similar to its competition (you have to buy the 545 for that). I can't imagine anyone buying a 525i who in any way is interested in spirited driving given its power/weight ratio. I think the C&D tests of the E60 530i 6-spd had something like 6.7 0-60 and 15.2@93mph 1/4 mile as I recall.
Coming from a M5, yeah, it does feel dog slow. When I drove a e60 530i, I made sure to drive my 02 530i sport to the dealer for a more direct comparison. That felt much closer. In fact, I believe the e39 530i was rated at 6.8 or 6.9 0-60. I do however agree that at that price, the 530 is WAY under powered. In the e39, I felt the 540's power and fuel economy did not justify its price. With the e60, I feel that the 530 is the odd man out, with the 545 (and when released, the M5) being the way to go.
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Old 22nd April 2004, 16:22   #3
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Re: E60 530i SMG

Thanks for the excellent write-up! Much better then reading so called reviews in car magazines.

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Re: E60 530i SMG

Nice written .. thanx for sharing ur experience
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Old 22nd April 2004, 21:57   #5
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Re: E60 530i SMG

CSBM5 - nice write up.

I too hope to do a comparison.

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Re: E60 530i SMG

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I did not care for the seats. ...I don't think (hope ) I'm an anomoly or something. I'm 6'2" tall and weigh 198 lbs.
Then we both are. I am 6'1" and weigh 187 lbs. I think that I have good posture. With the lumbar support entirely removed, the sport seat pushes my lower back forward so much that my upper back receives no support from the seat back. The effect is to force my upper lumbar spine into unnatural extension. I didn't need 100 miles on the road. I couldn't make the seat comfortable in the showroom.

I have the comfort seats in my E39 M5. I hope that's an option on the E60 M5.

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Re: E60 530i SMG

I was going to edit my post above, but the edit button isn't appearing right now, so here are some temporary links to a couple of movies of the 530i SMG instruments. One shows an acceleration run from 0 to about 90mph and gives an idea of how fast (slow) it shifts in sport mode. The other is 6-5-4-3-2-1 downshift path showing the nice rev matching shifts followed by a run up through 1-2-3.

I'll leave these up for awhile, but depending on the usage they incur, I may have to pull them off the site.

These will stream after a while, but you may get better results with a right click and Save As...

0 to 90 run

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Re: E60 530i SMG

Does anyone know if there is a launch control in the 5-series SMG? I tried the method of the M3, but it didn't work.
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Re: E60 530i SMG

Great review of the 530! The car definately has its good points, but I still think it will take awhile for me to get used to it. I was noticing the other day when at the dealer how much larger the car is then the E39, especially the trunk. Hopefully, the design will grow on us all.
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Nice writeup! I wonder if the SMG in the car you drove is closer to that which is offered in the Z4 than the box in the M3. The Z4 SMG had been panned by more than a few test drivers.
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