Potential problem. M5 Vs. E55 related - The Unofficial BMW M5 Messageboard (m5board.com)

Black M5 · 7th February 2004, 12:51

As we are all eagerly waiting for the new M5 (e55 eater) to be presented with its goody performance, a potential problem is overseen. Yes the new M5 will be fast and amazing in all the categories (performance, handling, styling, etc etc etc) But i see a potential problem. Performance!

I will bet my life that the new m5 will beat the e55 in performance but we must all remember that at the end of the day its powered by a natural aspirated V10. And the e55 on the other hand is powered by a forced induction V8 which can be easily tweaked by a chip and a smaller pully to increase its power far more than that can be achieved with the minor mods like intake, exhaust, and ecu on a natural aspirated engine
Change the e55's supercharger and you would be at 640hp

(it only says 550 on the kleemann website)

So with that in mind, you will have E55s running around on extra boost and power and beating the hell out of tuned M5s which wont be good enough unless you add twin turbos or a supercharger

Thats something to think about...

Ashok Arora · 7th February 2004, 12:57

I wouldn't worry about it in the slightest. In pure horsepower terms you have a valid point but most of us already know that the E55 (especially tuned) is pretty unbeatable in a straight line.

What's more important though is the overall feel of the car - i.e. how good is it in 'real' driving conditions, how much feedback is there in the chassis & steering etc. On those counts I am pretty confident that the E60 M5 will trounce the competition.

Black M5 · 7th February 2004, 14:14

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Originally Posted by Ashok Arora

What's more important though is the overall feel of the car - i.e. how good is it in 'real' driving conditions, how much feedback is there in the chassis & steering etc. On those counts I am pretty confident that the E60 M5 will trounce the competition.

What do you think the owner of the Kleemann owner will say after you say this after loosing to him ? Do you think he would care ? He would probably give you thumbs down

MEnthusiast · 7th February 2004, 14:32

thats always the case with blown engines.

how about this for a problem

E55 guy and E60 M5 guy line up at a stop light.

E55 guy mashes the gas pedal and goes ahead

M5 guy has to make a perfect launch- requiring much more skill.
and more difficult would be, M5 guy doesnt see E55 guy because he's distracted by idrive!

theres always someone faster, bigger, more wealthy, etc. if you like the E60 M5, get it and worry not. Rest easy in the knowledge that while the E55 is much better looking the M5 will handle and feel better.

Ashok Arora · 7th February 2004, 14:56

I don't think the E55 is better looking Jerry - we haven't seen the new M5 yet so let's reserve judgement.

As far as stop light races go, it'd be interesting to see what an SMG equipped M5 will do with launch control

AJ · 7th February 2004, 16:26

i posted a similar thread (n/a vs. forced induction paths) a long time ago here. it seemed after the thred unfolded that the people here dont care if the mercs are faster in a straight line. i think this is a load of bull. everybody here is genuenly concerned that they can get beat by a merc in the straight line. the m5s shine in the twisties.. supposedly. what twisties? i have yet to race somebody on a rural 2-lane road (which i refuse to do anyway). most races are stoplight to stoplight or highway rolls from 60ish. and i am sad to report that the stoplight-to-stoplight races are won by torque. and as long as bmws are n/a and mercs are blown, the scale will always tip towards the mercs.

and it only will get uglier from here since the game has reached a point where for the n/a engines to match the blown ones they are dipping into the "unfriendly" territory. a luxury 2 ton sedan with 8k redline? when merc goes to a smaller pulley straight from the factory and adds another 100hp easily to the rear wheels, whats next for us? 10k redline? sump pumps for each cylinder? 100k pricetag? after 500hp it is far more expensive to built a high-tech n/a engine vs. a forced air one. extreme case in point- the f1 engines make 850hp at 18k rpms and about 300 pounds of tq at 14k rpms. same 3 liter engine, with blower or turbo can make 1000hp and 900 pounds of tq at 8k rpms and costs 1/5 of the n/a engine. think of it.

if you are buying a bmw because you want to be faster than the mercs- let it go. unless bmw goes turbo/blowers those times are over... as much as i like the blue propeller concept- mercs will be faster.

alex

Bokke · 7th February 2004, 17:00

Well put AJ. There are no twisties in Dallas - flat and straight - to me its all about the experience and I think BMW does a better job than MB.

jajo · 7th February 2004, 18:26

Quite frankly, no offense to you Black M5, but I don't really care anymore. I have yet to race any Benz let alone an E55. The only racing I have even done has been at a race track. It's no biggy to me. There will always be something better and faster out there.

Anyways, my next ride probably won't be an M5...

JESawyer · 7th February 2004, 19:08

Thankfully, the size of my genitalia remains constant regardless of my participation in or performance during street races.

vndkshn · 7th February 2004, 19:18

But I wonder how many AMG owners are really modifying their cars. It seems to me that not many would. It seems that M owners would be much more likely to mod their cars. But I might be wrong.

Unfortunately, as long as these cars act as penis extensions (sorry to say, but that is a far share of their market), then we will be faced with the "problem" of how much horsepower and torque is enough. My guess, if you polled M5 owners (not just those on this board, since most of us are a little more wild), that most would say they are happy with their cars stock, with only slight mods desired (obviously Black and Tri-Flow are different.. and SICK!! jk guys).

As for the stoplight to stoplight, or highway 60 to 100.. unfortunately many feel that is the most important thing. I for one never street race someone, unless I know them and their abilities. I have never raced a AMG on the street because many people who have the AMGs got them because if their power, their automatic, and tend to totally rely on the computer to keep the car under control. My largest concern, and reason for not racing them... what happens when the computer loses control, or a tire blows on their car? Most of them do not have the ability to control the car. I don't want to get hit.. or feel responsible for them hitting someone.